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SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Musk already admitted that he was very wrong about FSD and that it's not that easy. Sure his talk was dumb and a lot of people fell for it, but that's just how marketing works.

That is not how marketing works. Show me a reputable book about marketing that says: promise something that doesn't exist.

If the marketing book said that it would be poorly marketing itself. There’s plenty of “bend the truth” culture in marketing.

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While I see the great potential in this technology, the collateral damage is the loss of places where one can truly disconnect. I just got back from 4 days camping at a remote mountain lake with zero phone coverage, and it’s one of the most incredible ways to fully recharge and step away from the day to day treadmill of the modern world. When we loose the possibility to completely disconnect, I at least, will feel a…

To everyone saying “just don’t bring your phone” 1) Camera: iPhones are about the best lightweight camera I’m willing to purchase 2) Navigation: Offline maps with details like slope angle are critical when traveling in the backcountry in winter. Yes I use paper maps too, but some things are much easier digital. 3) I don’t want to leave it in the car to get stolen. And about airplane mode. Yes “disconnecting is a choi…

> And about airplane mode. Yes “disconnecting is a choice”, but if the internet is just the flip of a button away, I’ve found I’m not able to keep that button off.

So we should all be denied a new potentially life-saving technology, because of your own self control issues?

Also, take the SIM out (assuming you don't use an ESIM), give it to your spouse or put it at the bottom of your backpack as others suggested, or leave it at home/in your car. Emergency calls will still work.

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> Of course, Apple’s solution will likely only work with iMessage. If I’m in the middle of nowhere and need to send an urgent message I wouldn’t want to be worrying about whether the recipient had an Android phone.

If recipient does not have iMessage he will get it as SMS.

iMessages aren't converted to SMS on Apple's servers side. It's a fallback on the phone's side. When you're on a WiFi but with no cell coverage, you can send an iMessage but can't send an SMS.

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It’s $10 per month for my Garmin InReach which gives you emergency comms and let’s you upgrade to unlimited SMS and some other stuff for $60. I use it a lot and it’s very reasonable. Runs on Iridium.

I have a Garmin InReach too, but to say it’s “satellite phone internet” is a stretch. You can send little blips of data. There’s no phone service. Nor is there any internet service.

If you read the T-Mobile announcement, that’s exactly what you’ll get. Not saying it’s not great but I think people have the misconception that they’ll have usable satellite internet which is really not happening due to physics.

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> SMS makes it very hard to be anonymous. Not a good option IMO. How is that even related ? Silence is the equivalent of Signal over SMS instead of the usual Mobile Data: There is nothing by design in Signal to stay anonymous. E2E encryption are mainly there to prevent eyes dropping, not to provide anonymity.

I was simply pointing out Starlink supporting SMS is not good enough, even with layers like Silence on top.

A major use case is in emergency situations or catastrophes when no classical cell service is available. If you are hoping to message someone to rescue you, I don't think anonymity is your concern.

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Fresnel zones are weird. Radio waves don't always behave like line-of-sight would suggest. So out on the water, you might be farther from the tower as the crow flies, but there may be less interference, obstruction, multipath error, etc.

Also, water specifically has good propagation characteristics. (Salt water is best, iirc.) At least, I think that's true for the longer wavelengths more typically used with HAM radio. I don't know if it holds for microwave-ish frequencies like cell phones would use.

Back in the day when we had a VHF/UHF TV antenna on the side of the house I noticed the quality varied with the tide. Our house were 15 meters or so above sea level and the TV tower were on the other side of the fjord. Some channels we could only watch during high tide.

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More detail here: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/spacex-and-t-mobile-team-up-... "T-Mobile users will be able to use messaging, MMS and certain messaging apps, from remote points across the lower 48 states, Alaska, Puerto Rico and Hawaii and even some remote points in the water. Eventually, the service will work with voice, Sievert said. T-Mobile plans to include the service in its most popular mobile plans but did…

does this extend to TMobile based mvno’s like Mint Mobile? cant tell

Doesn't seem logical as this feels like a premium service. We'll find out soon enough though.

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To everyone saying “just don’t bring your phone” 1) Camera: iPhones are about the best lightweight camera I’m willing to purchase 2) Navigation: Offline maps with details like slope angle are critical when traveling in the backcountry in winter. Yes I use paper maps too, but some things are much easier digital. 3) I don’t want to leave it in the car to get stolen. And about airplane mode. Yes “disconnecting is a choi…

> And about airplane mode. Yes “disconnecting is a choice”, but if the internet is just the flip of a button away, I’ve found I’m not able to keep that button off. So we should all be denied a new potentially life-saving technology, because of your own self control issues? Also, take the SIM out (assuming you don't use an ESIM), give it to your spouse or put it at the bottom of your backpack as others suggested, or l…

It's not just him, it's over 90% of humans. Us monkeys have poor self control and need help.

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To everyone saying “just don’t bring your phone” 1) Camera: iPhones are about the best lightweight camera I’m willing to purchase 2) Navigation: Offline maps with details like slope angle are critical when traveling in the backcountry in winter. Yes I use paper maps too, but some things are much easier digital. 3) I don’t want to leave it in the car to get stolen. And about airplane mode. Yes “disconnecting is a choi…

So in other words, you're annoyed at this new development because you have no self control?

Does anyone have good self control? Or do they just tell themselves that they actually DO want to mindlessly scroll for hours?
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