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My point was to compare European countries as they were suggested by the GP to be better. Go ahead and choose one or so and come back with numbers to compare. You'll find the US is very good in comparison.

Germany offers a shorter and significantly cheaper path to citizenship, for instance.

Plus incredibly easier paths to immigration on a skilled work permit and access to permanent residence. Like most EU countries.

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I'm an engineer that moved to Canada. Let me tell you, I am here because they made it easy (or at least do-able) to come, and the people made it extremely pleasant to stay. In America, you also get the mostly immigrant-friendly culture, but it's orders of magnitude harder and more involved to get there. So it's not even on my radar.

Canada's immigration system favors engineers and skilled professionals. As the comment I was replying to put it this is a way for rich countries, like Canada, to drain the resources of poorer countries. This process benefits you, because you prefer to live in Canada compared to your home country, and it benefits Canada, because they get more professionals, but it hurts your home country who loses professionals.

What do Canada, and I, owe my home country?

Arguing I should stay there because I was born there is not even just nativism, it implies countries own their citizens as property. This idea would set the whole world back.

If they wanted me to stay, they could have tried harder to create a nice environment for smart people there.

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As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

If developed nations with top tier education systems attract the best talent from the developing world and retain them all, who is going to develop and grow the economy, workforce and consumer markets of the developing world?

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> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

And for an Indian citizen, you might wait for 50 years for a green card.

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I think the pollution, weather, water quality, noise, dust, and overall lack of high quality public spaces is a big deal. India is amazing and dynamic in a lot of ways, but there are major intangibles to account for (like how much one values a quiet evening walk in fresh air).

You don't have to live in a Delhi or a Mumbai or a Bangalore. Cities like Dehradun, Ranchi, and more provide many of these amenities.

I grew up in a state capital and lived in 2 metro cities and honestly the infrastructure was better in my home city in terms of electricity, water and flooding. But there are very few tech jobs, which gives the 2-3 employers there huge leverage due to the lack of job mobility.

Hopefully between fibre penetration and WFH culture things will improve.

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What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

What do you mean we send them away? Should we hold them against their will? If they want to stay there are ways to stay.

I am not sure if you are responding with actual information or just anecdata. There are hundreds of thousands of students who actually want to work in the US but are unable to (and are sent back) because of H1B Visa lotteries and archaic green card processes.

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This shows a shocking level of ignorance about the US immigration system. Just straight off the bat you need to be a resident for 5 years before you can even apply for citizenship ( https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-c... ). The full process is the better part of a decade in the best case (e.g. expensive lawyers, STEM degree, immigrating from an easy country like Canada). If you're from a coun…

You can shorten the time you need to be a resident to 3 years by marrying a US citizen: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/ci...

Yes, US citizens can sponsor foreign nationals both within and outside the USA for green cards through marriage. The process itself (current status or no status) to green card easily takes 2 years. Once that person arrives, they can get citizenship (not residency) within 3 years.

The sentence structure though seems to imply marrying solely for status, which is fraud, and reflects very poorly on both applicant and petitioner. This kind of thing definitely happens which is why it takes 2 years for the honest applicants to get though, as the immigration system doesn't do a sufficient job filtering out fraud at the beginning stages of the petition and leaves too much of that work at the end of the petition stage (interview) which is where the biggest bottleneck is.

source: personal experience as petitioner

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That is why there are other visa types. You are talking about a type of visa specifically intended as a mechanism to fill a specific seat at a specific company. For other forms of immigration, there are other types of visas.

Like what? I went over the USCIS page and Wikipedia and there does not seem to be very many options for skilled workers besides H and L, both of which are tied to employers.

O1 visas are for skilled workers without getting tied to a company. But you have to be really skilled!

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This must be sarcastic because this seems like Amazon.

Snapdeal revenue (not profit, just top-line revenue) in 2021 (after 11 years in business): $64 million USD Is that Amazon -like? Amazon was founded in 1994 and AWS was created in 2006, 12 years later. Did Snapdeal launch their own Indian AWS competitor in 2022? How's their revenue growth holding up compared to Amazon? For comparison, my own 4 person e-commerce startup had ~$6.4 million in revenue in 2021 with gross m…

Are you converting currency?

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This is definitely an inspiring story but isn't it an isolated data point? On average, the US has a lot of things going for it for a young software professional if he or she can navigate the immigration maze and is reasonably lucky. Might not be for everyone but for the average person, getting a cushy job in a large company might be better for stability and long term satisfaction that risking it on an attempt to crea…

Its an extremely isolated data point. He was born rich. Had the money and privilege to do coaching to go to an elite Indian engineering college. Went to US from there. When he came back his buddies from college where VCs. They funded him. His startup collapsed terribly even after so much of luck, privilege and funding. So now he gives outdated gyaan(wisdom) in Twitter.

This is true everywhere tbh. Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos all came from families that were upper-middle class or rich.

It's not a bad thing imo since families should strive to improve their situation with every generation, but it's important to highlight that rags-to-riches stories are extremely rare.

There are probably many who also got their visa rejected and were stuck with huge loans for their studies and an Indian salary, or had to move to EU/CANZUK countries as a second option.

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