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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by lemiant »

hunterb123 wrote: post #129
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

This shows a shocking level of ignorance about the US immigration system.

Just straight off the bat you need to be a resident for 5 years before you can even apply for citizenship ( https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-c... ).

The full process is the better part of a decade in the best case (e.g. expensive lawyers, STEM degree, immigrating from an easy country like Canada). If you're from a country like China or India where lots of other people are also applying for those slots - or if anything else is less than optimal - you're looking at between a decade+ and never.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by jimmaswell »

yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

Alternate viewpoint, we have more than enough students graduating in Computer Science and other STEM fields, many of whom have a hard time finding a job because most companies don't want to invest in training anyone up anymore, and they're enabled by the H1B program. If we incentivized/forced companies to build people up from basic college graduate again, it would be even better than finding skilled immigrants.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by manuelabeledo »

hunterb123 wrote: post #129
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average.

Year 6 here in the US, need to wait another 5 for the chance of becoming a citizen.

What’s that path you are talking about?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What is stopping people from becoming citizens?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by jimmaswell »

thehappypm wrote: post #159
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

It’s tough because many of our societal problems are only exacerbated by population growth, especially in the areas where these types of workers tend to congregate. Highly skilled workers don’t go to the Midwest or the deep south. They go and drive up rental prices in New York and San Francisco, where the jobs are. Well the first order effects of having a more skilled in competitive work for us are good, the second o…

> Highly skilled workers don’t go to the Midwest or the deep south.

This is certainly changing. I myself am moving to a rural area to work remotely and farm.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by innagadadavida »

aidenn0 wrote: post #144
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

Even more confusing is why we then have 100k immigrants that are randomly selected with unknown skills from all over the world to come here and take up things like driving taxis. All the while we have labor shortages for basic things like nannies and baby sitters.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by curious_cat_163 »

hunterb123 wrote: post #116
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism?

I don't think absolute numbers tell the story. Also, it is not a complaint, really.

I think the citizens in the US have a right to decide as a polity how they want to structure their immigration policies. However, in order to make a good decision, it is important to start with the full context. Here are some facts:

US has 46.6 million in foreign born population and a total population of 333 million. [1][2] That makes about 13.9% of the total population to be foreign born.

Australia has 29.1% of its population that is foreign born. [3]

A little over 20% of the population of Canada is foreign born and it is projected to grow. [4]

[1] https://cis.org/Camarota/ForeignBorn-Population-Hits-Record-...

[2] https://www.census.gov/popclock/

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_Aus...

[4] https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/dai/btd/othervisuals/other006

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by manuelabeledo »

hunterb123 wrote: post #116
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism?

Discounting non immigrant visas, I’m not sure that this is true.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by ROTMetro »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #130
hunterb123 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism?

The criticism is tying visa status to employer. No reason to do that unless you want to suppress wages for US residents.

That is why there are other visa types. You are talking about a type of visa specifically intended as a mechanism to fill a specific seat at a specific company. For other forms of immigration, there are other types of visas.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by shard »

lemiant wrote: post #161
hunterb123 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

This shows a shocking level of ignorance about the US immigration system. Just straight off the bat you need to be a resident for 5 years before you can even apply for citizenship ( https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-c... ). The full process is the better part of a decade in the best case (e.g. expensive lawyers, STEM degree, immigrating from an easy country like Canada). If you're from a coun…

You can shorten the time you need to be a resident to 3 years by marrying a US citizen: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/ci...
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