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Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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"Properly" means that the automakers should pay a fine per vehicle sold that was producing more emissions than allowed, and that fine should be so high as to effectively get them into bankruptcy. It should also put in jail anyone that was aware of the violation and did not report to the authorities. Everyone , from the CEO to the test engineer who knew about the cheating devices. Anything less than that and all you a…

Meanwhile, in the EU the price displayed/set in the contract is the price you pay.

Meanwhile, the prices in EU are overall higher even after sales tax included...

We could spend the whole day in this pointless display of "my dad is better than your dad", but can we just skip it please?

Having lived in the US and now living in Germany for over 9 years, I have no intention to leave. But this idea that "regulations" could fix the consumer hostility of Big tech is naive at best and damaging at worst. To assume that the differences between US and Europe are due to lack of regulations is a terrible mistake of reversing cause-and-effect. Cultural differences between and Europe can explain a lot better why things work different, while "regulations" assume that people are just automatons who can do nothing but follow orders established by some higher authority.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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Also: If you're on AWS/GCP and only backup to S3/GCS, you're doing it wrong. All your backups to setup a new system (even if it takes time) need to be with a different provider.

Backups to another provider are very costly for most users due to egress bandwidth pricing. Most backup systems can't do efficient incremental diffs either - so you end up sending your companies entire database every 12/24 hours, burning through a lot of bandwidth.

Would have through incremental backup (replication) would be a core feature of most databases.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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For the record, I was being sarcastic and do not actually believe it was the customer's fault. I believe this is an abhorrent way of running business by Google.

And then you get hit by the car, even though the light was green. Doesn't help you, does it?

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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Also: If you're on AWS/GCP and only backup to S3/GCS, you're doing it wrong. All your backups to setup a new system (even if it takes time) need to be with a different provider.

> If you're on AWS/GCP and only backup to S3/GCS, you're doing it wrong. If that’s how you feel then you should be applying that logic to any provider. Even if you rent rack space in a data center. Because unless you own everything through and through. This could happen anywhere.

I agree with this premise. Backup to another provider, and also make sure it is in a different physical location - different city. In the old days you would pay a company to take a tape backup offsite so why not keep to that idea.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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Why stop at Google? Why don't we simply get rid of the idea of the mega corporation?[0] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31317641

That post sounds like war on drugs, on paper it makes sense but does not work in real life. Do you really think an industry like oil refinery can be managed with a limit of 150 people?

The point is not to limit the size of the industry. It is to limit the size of a company.

Think of a oil refinery as a monolith, and that such a mandate would enforce that you'd have to build the whole system a set of independent microservices. The industry as a whole would still employ a large number of people, but now they would be forced to coordinate through specific interfaces (the smaller business units) instead of centralizing under a larger corporation.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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I'm very happy Hetzner has all these options built in from the very start. There's no need to make any "extra effort". Actually, most of my servers are on yearly billing to make things even easier for everybody.

Someone just the other day said Hetzner did the exact same thing though...

I'm not a blind fan of Hetzner and I'm aware of their limitations, but billing works extremely well for me, and they're very patient with me when I forget to pay an invoice (sending friendly reminders and not threatening to cut me off right away).

However, I remember a case when I was the culprit - spam was being sent from one of my servers (one of the users had a common username and password, something I should have never allowed) and Hetzner notified me immediately, but they didn't block the server in any way (something I'd expect). They gave me some window for explanation/solving the problem. I was very happy with how they handled the issue - but of course others may have had different experiences.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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This sort of stuff genuinely scares me to try Google cloud, ever. Even if I were to try something on the aside, it's scary how much I rely on Google services, and how monumentally screwed I would be, if my Google account would get disabled somehow without any recourse.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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> Why should a business relationship with Google (or any other cloud service) be any different? Depends on the size of the account surely? Maybe there's some support person to talk to, but there's plenty of services I subscribe to fo $10-100/month and I dont have an account manager for any of them.

Yeah but for almost all of this kind of service you have some sort of phone, email or 24/7 helpdesk system. Google however is infamous for not providing support at all on all their services, even if your complete digital identity got killed off because some AI can't recognize that the "CSAM" you sent was in fact communication with your child's doctor [1]. [1] https://www.heise.de/news/Nacktscanner-Unbedachte-Fotos-vo…

NY Time source for this article https://archive.is/4KGKP

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

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post #173

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For the record, I was being sarcastic and do not actually believe it was the customer's fault. I believe this is an abhorrent way of running business by Google.

And then you get hit by the car, even though the light was green. Doesn't help you, does it?

More like: the driver stops and gestures me to walk over the road. As I step in front of the car, they suddenly jump on the gaspedal and drive over me.

Re: Tell HN: Google Cloud suspended our production projects at 1am on Saturday

#180

Seeing all these horror stories, I can't help but wonder when people are going to switch back to on prem, or at least some hybrid. It's pretty apparent we can't trust cloud providers...

No need for on prem (rolling your own cloud just means it might be you that fucks up, or your ISP anyway). If you use standard legos like VMs, simple functions, containers, k8s, postgresql etc. then you can have a replica of your site on another provider. Scale it down and keep the data in cold storage. Flick the on switch for an hour a month to check it all works.
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