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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I have seen stories about the erosion of the Mac experience ever since multi-finder.

If all are to be taken at face value, the Mac ceased to exist-- eroded into nothingness, somewhere around 2004.

Like how every release of iOS is "less snappy" than the last. It now must be so slow it actually travels backwards in time.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I think both Windows and MacOS are in weird places. Linux is Linux and I don’t see it suddenly becoming a better option for the masses any time soon so I don’t know what the solution is. MacOS could be great with some small tweaks to the finder and modernization of how windows, full screen, and external displays function. They just need to do a comprehensive rethink here because it is clunky. Windows is actually for…

> Windows is actually for maybe the first time in decades not that clunky anymore—yay! Does it still re-install candy crush without my permission? Serious question. How bloated is Win11?

I don't think so, but I am running the Pro version so I can't speak with authority. Windows does do some weird stuff particularly after larger updates, but I haven't run into anything quite as egregious as that.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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> I can never find anything in word or excel or any other application that use windows style menus. On Mac you at least get a real menu. I’ll never understand why it’s so common for Windows and Linux GTK apps to go so far out of their way to avoid using a tried and true menubar. Hamburger menus are probably the most common substitute, and they’re strictly worse in every way, being basically junk drawers in software f…

And... it's always in the same place. And... all the standard common things are always in the exact same place with the exact same shortcuts. I've been using Linux (KDE Plasma) now as my primary system for 5 years now, and it's practically impossible to build up a system-wide muscle memory. On Linux and Windows menus are all over the place. Things in the menus are all over the place. Shortcuts to them are all over th…

I personally prefer Windows style menu bars where the menu is at the top of each window, instead of at the top of the screen. I don't want to constantly be dragging my mouse all the way to the top and then back to my window.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

> Macs used to be for professionals Makes you wonder who is then buying these expensive MacBook Pros, Mac Studios and Mac Pros. I guess it's those grandmas needing 28 cores for their recipes.

Professionals are not only big businesses. Most Mac-Users I know are small creators, freelancers or independent. By which I mean writers, designers, artists and the like who don't need to connect with the infrastructure of their team/company, and can just deliver/release the finished product.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I haven’t run Windows since 2014. I got into the Apple ecosystem in 2018-2019 (first Mac, then first iPhone). By 2021, I was completely disenchanted and bought a Framework DIY (now running Ubuntu/GNOME). Honestly, the only thing I truly miss when not using a Mac is easy copy-paste in the terminal. In every other way, GNU/Linux is a superior experience.

The Elementary OS terminal has two function copy/paste. If text is selected it copies it, if not pass Ctrl+C to the terminal. It's a reasonable solution.

For me it's the overall Command-key semantics that I miss when using Linux. I like being able to use readline shortcuts in any text field (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+E, etc.) macOS really nails it there and no desktop environments on Linux even attempt to replicate the feel.

The other thing I miss is how VS Code's text navigation shortcuts work. The modifier combinations of selecting text, navigating (with or without a selection), moving and copying text selections and how that interacts with multiple cursors are totally different on Windows and Linux. I'm not sure if it's even possible without the Command key (super) because of how the super key is treated in Linux.

It's all very depressing and makes me feel held hostage on macOS because of my muscle memory. I don't like how Apple treats me.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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You incorrectly assume that all power users wish to modify their operating system and hardware, and in doing so exclude professionals who prefer to use the tool as it was sold to them. There are many reasons why professionals with the capability to modify software and hardware behaviors might choose not to; conflating “power users” and “professionals” disregards that distinction, and by doing so ignores why Macs are…

I said nothing about modifying anything, if anybody is assuming things, it is you. Case in point: my 70 year old aunt and 8 year old neighbour can change the RAM and storage on their computers, that doesn't make them power users. An Academy-winning Hollywood director I know bought his Windows-based computer pre-made, doesn't modify anything on it, just uses Da Vinci Resolve, but requires the absolute pinnacle of perf…

You’re absolutely right: the term “power user” isn’t well-defined enough for us to use in this discussion without considering what it means. What definition are you using in your comment above? I don’t have any strong preference, and will accede to yours.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Sure. I don't keep a running list of this (and I feel like I've seen some, but can't find them now) so it's a little off the cuff... - Scrollbars not appearing until you attempt scrolling, so no indication that there is more content to scroll to. If you mouse-wheel scroll, then try to move over to click and drag, sometimes the scrollbar disappears before you can grab it. Yes, you can change this default, but... it's…

If you want to see scrollbars everywhere then I'm not going to read the rest of your comment.

What a petty way of responding. If everybody stopped listening once they heard one thing they disagreed with, the whole world would be deaf

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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And... it's always in the same place. And... all the standard common things are always in the exact same place with the exact same shortcuts. I've been using Linux (KDE Plasma) now as my primary system for 5 years now, and it's practically impossible to build up a system-wide muscle memory. On Linux and Windows menus are all over the place. Things in the menus are all over the place. Shortcuts to them are all over th…

I personally prefer Windows style menu bars where the menu is at the top of each window, instead of at the top of the screen. I don't want to constantly be dragging my mouse all the way to the top and then back to my window.

I could tolerate that.

The spastic chaos of keyboard shortcuts across various OS and application functions I cannot forgive however.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I'm with you here. I've been using a Mac at my new job since November. I fucking hate it. I have burned so much time on stuff not working, and it's not just me - others seem to just accept and forget it. One great example of this is the recent bout of zero days: forty five minutes for a minor release update? How on earth does anyone think that's acceptable? I'm no longer a fan of Windows, having moved along to Linux…

Can you outline some other problems you have lost time to besides a software update? I agree that they’re pretty long too, but if that’s your only complaint it’s a bit moot since every OS provides a mechanism for installing updates during off hours.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

As a person, who just wants to use that damn thing your reply sounds a bit like:

"You're holding it wrong"

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