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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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This seems like a very weird choice of post to refresh/second-chance queue given the subject matter and the 100s of comments from two days ago. Did a mod misclick?

I don't mind a second chance for submissions, but resetting/falsifying the timestamps of comments is horrendous.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

I just stopped reporting edid on my display and wow it looks so great now, thanks!

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I think both Windows and MacOS are in weird places. Linux is Linux and I don’t see it suddenly becoming a better option for the masses any time soon so I don’t know what the solution is.

MacOS could be great with some small tweaks to the finder and modernization of how windows, full screen, and external displays function. They just need to do a comprehensive rethink here because it is clunky.

Windows is actually for maybe the first time in decades not that clunky anymore—yay! But Microsoft is still Microsoft and bugs are plentiful. For every bug they kill they implement two more. And not just small edge cases, normal every day functionality just won’t work for multiple releases. Outlook crashes when I pin an email? Xbox app won’t download game updates? And then there are all of the house ads, but those can usually be hidden away.

Linux, well, is Linux. I get it, you have it setup perfectly, for you. And it is super stable, for you. And it has come a long way in usability, for you. It just isn’t a suitable alternative for your average user.

Both Apple and Microsoft I think are taking for granted their operating systems because they are not the revenue drivers they once were. Instead they are the platform that all their revenue drivers hang on to.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Oh cool! I never knew that. How long has that been a thing? In a way I actually like this better as in Windows I used to cut and every-so often I'd blow out my clipboard somehow (at least, I have memories of that... it was like 20 years ago).

Based on an archive.org snapshot[0] of an Apple support page[1], the move shortcut has been in place since at least 2015. And yeah, the Mac way makes more sense to me too. It's a lot less likely for Command-Option-V to be fat-fingered than both Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V. Shortcuts like this are all over the place in macOS, and have been for decades. They're usually discoverable by glancing through menus while holding down va…

Yeah, I know a lot of the shortcuts, though 2015 is literally 20 years since I started yearning for some kind of cut-and-paste in the Finder. I'd given up hope long before then and started living more on the command line more and more.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Linux has had an arguably FAR superior UX to Windows since Vista.

Mac and Windows both have some great "power user" features - but I think for the average person, Ubuntu is far superior for usability.

I remember 10 years ago when my friends would use my Linux laptop and expect it to be impossible and couldn't believe how easy it was to use and figure out.

Maybe for a few rare laptops that have perfect driver support, it's on par. But this isn't a common case.

The main problem with Linux is for laptops - the power management is simply not in the same league as MacOS.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I think both Windows and MacOS are in weird places. Linux is Linux and I don’t see it suddenly becoming a better option for the masses any time soon so I don’t know what the solution is. MacOS could be great with some small tweaks to the finder and modernization of how windows, full screen, and external displays function. They just need to do a comprehensive rethink here because it is clunky. Windows is actually for…

> Windows is actually for maybe the first time in decades not that clunky anymore—yay!

Does it still re-install candy crush without my permission? Serious question.

How bloated is Win11?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs

No, I’m also using windows, having many years experience with all of the mainstream OSes.

Mac hardware feels great

Does it?? Maybe, if you cover the price with your hand and close browser tabs with same-price pc configurations. Also their aluminium edges are pretty sharp, I can remember few times when I damaged that thing around my fingernails with display or keyboard edges.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

You incorrectly assume that all power users wish to modify their operating system and hardware, and in doing so exclude professionals who prefer to use the tool as it was sold to them. There are many reasons why professionals with the capability to modify software and hardware behaviors might choose not to; conflating “power users” and “professionals” disregards that distinction, and by doing so ignores why Macs are…

I said nothing about modifying anything, if anybody is assuming things, it is you.

Case in point: my 70 year old aunt and 8 year old neighbour can change the RAM and storage on their computers, that doesn't make them power users.

An Academy-winning Hollywood director I know bought his Windows-based computer pre-made, doesn't modify anything on it, just uses Da Vinci Resolve, but requires the absolute pinnacle of performance. He's a power user.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

Macs are far better for power users now than they were 10 years ago. They're also faster!

"Better" is highly dubious. Less user-serviceable, forced to endure lead times at Apple Stores to procure parts. Death of macOS Server. Shall I continue?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

> Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker.

For what it’s worth, this is only true if you buy a device with poor Linux support which is kind of like buying a hackintosh and complaining about how much tinkering OSX requires. If you buy a good Linux box and put Fedora or PopOS on there, I think you’ll be productive instantly.

My biased 2 cents.

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