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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by happyopossum »

hnburnsy wrote: post #30
happyopossum wrote: post #20

I have been hearing this for almost 2 decades now, as long as I’ve been following the ‘community’. Meanwhile, in my real life, my parents, wife, kids, and friends, are all happier than they ever ever been with their latest MacBooks and macOS. Things like iCloud photo syncing, universal control, and airdrop feel boring to us, but they make the computing experience feel pretty much like living in the future for them.

Nothing against you and your family, but I am disappointed when for example, the Netflix app shows 2 rows of 6 titles when probably 100 could fit on the 3024-by-1964 native resolution display. Heck even the top 10 list scrolls to the right and only shows 1 through 4.

What the heck does Netflix’s crappy UI have to do with my comment here?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ksec »

kramerger wrote: post #279
piva00 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large-ish tech companies in Sweden.

Absolutely not my experience from Scandinavian companies (Volvo, Ericsson, Saab, ABB,...)

>Volvo, Ericsson, Saab, ABB,...

I know this sounds silly or wrong, but most dont think of those as "Tech" Companies. Modern world uses of "Tech" now mostly means Software.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ksec »

lapcat wrote: post #255
1-6 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple has already sailed the seas of no return. Another company that puts users first will eventually arise and take its place. Life is a cycle of highs and lows. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

Microsoft and Apple, the duopoly who control nearly 100% of the consumer desktop OS market, were both founded in the 1970s. In comparison, Google was a relative "newcomer" in the late 1990s. Google and Apple control nearly 100% of the consumer mobile OS market. There are no challengers. 3 companies own all of personal computing. Oh yeah, these companies also collectively control the web browsers: Chrome, Safari, Edge…

And I Dislike all Three of them ( I used to be on Apple's side with Steve Jobs as CEO though ).

Now they are all the same.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ksec »

runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

80% the people working in Apple now were hired after the Steve Jobs's death. Which means that most of the old Mac, NEXTSTEP folks are likely all retired.

Those that first put out Apple HIG, along with other software UX expert left as well. After Tim Cook fired Scott Forstall and named Jony as the CDO.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Apocryphon »

InTheArena wrote: post #21

I've of two minds on this topic. The first is that the vast majority of concerns are coming from the Independent developer iOS/Mac scene. Some of these concernes are legit. There is unquestionably problems with Apple's quality with some software. The new SwiftUI based Settings app in Ventura is not yet stable, and when Apple's entire raison d'etre has been it just works, it's understandable that people get upset when…

The Accidental Tech Podcast is the successor to Hypercritical. The negativity is by design.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by kramerger »

ksec wrote: post #302
kramerger wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not my experience from Scandinavian companies (Volvo, Ericsson, Saab, ABB,...)

>Volvo, Ericsson, Saab, ABB,... I know this sounds silly or wrong, but most dont think of those as "Tech" Companies. Modern world uses of "Tech" now mostly means Software.

Sony Mobile is definitely a "modern tech company" and they are Ubuntu first. At the same time a company like Volvo or ABB is these days probably 60% software development and at most 40% mechanical engineering.

I think you are living in a bubble.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by solarkraft »

incanus77 wrote: post #291
solarkraft wrote: post #290

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> Scrollbars I don't get it. If I want to see whether/how much I can scroll ... I try it. I appreciate only having to see the information when I actually need to see it instead of it distracting me otherwise. > Having to hover over the more inner portion of a notification to get its close button to appear This reminds me of a much worse thing regarding notifications. When you install an app, often you get a notificat…

Part of the scroll bar thing is an admittedly subtle old interaction cue, which is that the scroll bars are sized proportionally to how many screens of data there are. So in just glancing at a list of ten files, you can see that there are approximately 20-25 files total, with no interactions.

Sure. I may have worded it a big ambiguously, but I mean that too.

I don't want to be confronted with information I don't need at a moment, so I prefer this information that I need maybe 1% of the time to be behind an explicit interaction.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Tao3300 »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

Finder sucks so much.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by tourincomplete »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I just switched to Mac for work, and the app/window switching experience has been frustrating me so much I sent this to my coworkers:

———

Going from fullscreen App A to App B back to fullscreen App A:

Brain on Windows:

1. Alt-tab -> App A

2. Alt-tab -> fullscreen App B

Brain on Mac:

1. Cmd-tab -> App A

2. Cmd-tab -> Random App C

3. Cmd-tab -> back to App A

4. Cmd-tab -> other App B window you weren't looking for

5. Cmd-` App B windows a few times, nope not here either

6. Triple finger salute -> fullscreen App B

Why. Why?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ksec »

kramerger wrote: post #306
ksec wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Volvo, Ericsson, Saab, ABB,... I know this sounds silly or wrong, but most dont think of those as "Tech" Companies. Modern world uses of "Tech" now mostly means Software.

Sony Mobile is definitely a "modern tech company" and they are Ubuntu first. At the same time a company like Volvo or ABB is these days probably 60% software development and at most 40% mechanical engineering. I think you are living in a bubble.

>I think you are living in a bubble.

I am not, considering I am the only defending 5G and Ericsson on HN. But you should say that to the rest of HN.

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