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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by WastingMyTime89 » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

kitsunesoba wrote: post #95

what-imright wrote: post #60

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Jobs was against dogma. It’s a changing world and the perspective and input of the young is valuable. What exactly are you moving on to? Ubuntu? Windows? Behind macOS is the most valuable company in the world adding fixes, features and security patches. There isn’t any other computing solution today that can deliver what Apple does.

I can't see Linux (or other GNU-desktop-nixlike) becoming a full-time macOS replacement for me because no DE works the way I'd like it to. You've got KDE (Windowslike), GNOME (what if iPadOS were adapted into a desktop OS), XFCE (middle ground between Windows and Classic Mac OS), and Cinnamon (Classic Windowslike), and Pantheon (what if iPadOS looked like Mac OS X Mavericks). None that are an obvious choice for someo…

Last time I used Linux, Gnome was nearly perfect apart from the huge toolbars they insisted on to satisfy touch users who don’t exist. Hopefully someone see the lights in the next decade.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by white_dragon88 » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:38 AM UTC

jesseryoung wrote: post #177

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I'm with you, I'm a dev who prefers Windows over Mac. I'm convinced that most Mac users don't use multiple monitors and they're completely fine with the really poor window management. It boggles my mind; I am objectively less productive with a single monitor than I am with multiple.

I’m a Mac user and have 4 monitors plus my laptop’s screen. I use this https://rectangleapp.com/ to add snappiness to my windows. And it kicks ass

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by illi » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:39 AM UTC

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

Why so many comments about Mac vs Windows, when the subject is Mac now vs Mac yesterday?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by white_dragon88 » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:40 AM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #190

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

It's not just you. I regularly use both Windows and MacOS, though I started with Windows king before MacOS... and I just fine MacOS so unintuitive, ugly and clunky! Also, it regularly crashes when plugging/unplugging an external monitor. Actually, it crashes every now and then for no discernable reason too - feels like Windows back in the day when BSOD was common! And not MacOS' fault, but I absolutely loathe my MBP'…

If it’s randomly crashing that could be a hardware issue. I’ve owned numerous MacBooks and Mac minis over the years, nothing should ever be crashing randomly, especially not macOS.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by white_dragon88 » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:41 AM UTC

ricardobayes wrote: post #183

llanowarelves wrote: post #169

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I agree. In my experience, Windows "just works". And when it comes to working on graphics-intensive applications, and using commercial software packages it's a shoo-in.

For all the hate MS gets, windows 11 is pretty much perfect. Never had any issues with it whatsoever. Even teams runs well on it, not so much on Mac from what I hear. "I can't share my screen" "Teams has crashed" I would be furious if my 2k EUR Mac couldn't run a chat app.

Yeah… you lost all credibility when bringing up teams as a benchmark. It’s a piece of utter steaming junk that I would barely call software. Zoom and slack work just fine because they weren’t built by imbeciles.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by avian » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:49 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #198

caskstrength wrote: post #163

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I get battery life similar to Windows on my X1. I regularly share my screen on work-related meeting and it works for me without any issues on Gnome with Wayland.

I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid), I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic, and screen sharing on teams (and a bunch of other video conferencing software) would only work on X11 and not Wayland. This was running the latest Ubuntu at the time (20, and…

> I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic

This is still the case. I was just trying to get this to work. You can't use the mic on a Bluetooth headset. There's supposedly a workaround that requires you to install and run a smartphone software stack on your laptop, but I could never get it to work.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Macha » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:52 AM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #206

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I think it’s mostly linked to what you are used to. I never Alt+Tab on macOS because I am used to using Exposé and the Windows equivalent frustrates me to no end with its extremely slow animation, same things with virtual desktops which feel very clunky on Windows but works fine on macOS.

Huh, Mac is the one platform I avoid virtual desktops because the experience is so clunky with no keyboard commands to move items between spaces or jump to spaces, and the weirdness with fullscreen windows being their own space but then returning to a previous space when fullscreen is exited.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by illi » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:53 AM UTC

The Mac experience peaked some years ago in many ways. Now when the hardware is back on track we can at least enjoy that plus some good MacOS features, and ignore or tweak the not so great stuff.

They have certainly lost a lot of quality in the OS and 1st party apps, but the summed experience is still more positive than negative imo. My mbp14 is the most (or maybe 2nd to most) enjoyable of all my 8-9 machines since the G4 days.

And that's coming from a software conservative :) I hate when an update changes stuff without obvious improvement.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Macha » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:57 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #139

LtWorf wrote: post #109

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> Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Nah it works completely fine. There is no photoshop, yes, but stuff does work.

Except for power management, screen sharing under Wayland and certain Bluetooth headsets

My WH-1000XM4 has Mac os sometimes forget it has an audio device when the Mac wakes from sleep, resulting in a need to manually disconnect and reconnect from the Bluetooth menu.

My Samson G-Track Pro USB microphone does not get recognised on M1 Macs. It worked fine on a previous Intel Mac.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Macha » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 9:59 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #198

caskstrength wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get battery life similar to Windows on my X1. I regularly share my screen on work-related meeting and it works for me without any issues on Gnome with Wayland.

I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid), I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic, and screen sharing on teams (and a bunch of other video conferencing software) would only work on X11 and not Wayland. This was running the latest Ubuntu at the time (20, and…

> I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid)

Is this supposed to work on Mac? Does it need configuring? Is it something I need to enable? I always had to remove and reinsert the power cord to wake a sleeping docked Macbook.