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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by alwillis »

Gigachad wrote: post #90
rc_kas wrote: post #14

Windows sucks MacOS is headed towards suck If you want a glimpse of the future of desktops : r/unixporn

I have only been using macOS for a few years now but it’s only been getting better for me. The new control panel thing is great, the M1 is mind blowing and everything mostly just works. Have been using Linux for 10 years now and while I still respect the work that has gone in, you have to be very forgiving of all the stuff that just doesn’t work right.

but it’s only been getting better for me.

Same.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

I got my dad a Mac about 10 years ago, and never got into the experience. I mean I got it for him, used a couple of days to tell him where was everything, delivered and then came back to my trusted thinkpad with i3.

About a year and a half I got a macbook from my employer even as a replacement from a T480 which was awful because of thermal throttling. After a couple of months, I got the m1 macbook air as my personal laptop. I guess the experience with the software I commonly use got better, but I feel like the biggest reason is that the experience with other laptops just became worse.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hef19898 »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #57
doctor_eval wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has always chased that demographic. It started life as “the computer for the rest of us”.

There was one point where it seemed like everybody in Hollywood, music, and the visual arts were using Macs. Logic and Final Cut used to be serious programs.

And then they use Adobe programms anyway. Having a Mac on your desk does look the kind so if you work in an agency.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

mfcl wrote: post #62
what-imright wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was against dogma. It’s a changing world and the perspective and input of the young is valuable. What exactly are you moving on to? Ubuntu? Windows? Behind macOS is the most valuable company in the world adding fixes, features and security patches. There isn’t any other computing solution today that can deliver what Apple does.

I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

nothing. you're probably saving a lot of money, something objectively true.

fwiw safari is the no 1 worst browser i have ever used, as a developer. it's hot garbage. not the renderer, the browser itself and its dev tools.

plus you need an apple account and a 10 trillion gb xcode install just to port your chrome extension to safari, what a joke.

and every couple of years apple decides to drop backwards compatibility for X number of products/services you've been happily using because they need to sell new machines or something.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by astrange »

echelon wrote: post #81
mfcl wrote: post #62

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I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

Remember 2000-2005 Microsoft that tried to lock you into Internet Explorer and was deeply into this thing called "trusted computing"? That's what you're missing. You're required to sign in for updates so they can track you. No software patches without monitoring, I guess. No way to remove iTunes or stop Safari from trying to take over again and again. Even if you don't want music to open that way. Steve Balmer would…

Since iTunes doesn’t exist anymore, I guess there’s no way to not remove iTunes.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by tmikaeld »

lbwtaylor wrote: post #96
drawingthesun wrote: post #91

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Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Apple constantly spams you with popup ads for their cloud services, far worse IMHO than any start menu nonsense. To each their own.

Where? I have several Macs in my office, I might have seen a question on upgrade, but that's it. In Safari?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by phasersout »

drawingthesun wrote: post #91
runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

I run PopOS on a Thinkbook and overall the experience is more hassle free than my Windows-System these days.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by lrem »

linguae wrote: post #84
what-imright wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was against dogma. It’s a changing world and the perspective and input of the young is valuable. What exactly are you moving on to? Ubuntu? Windows? Behind macOS is the most valuable company in the world adding fixes, features and security patches. There isn’t any other computing solution today that can deliver what Apple does.

I moved on to Windows 10 and FreeBSD after many years on the Mac (I refused to upgrade my Macs beyond Mojave), but this is an interim solution for me since neither Windows 10 nor existing FOSS desktops match even Mac OS X Tiger when it comes to the user experience. My long-term solution is building my own desktop environment that is inspired by the classic Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines, but also takes ideas fr…

I've also moved on... But unless someone out there gets their hands on a CPU comparable with M2, what would be the point of not upgrading back to a Mac? It's not like Windows is a significantly better experience (gee, the menu item search is such an obvious and necessary thing, is that covered by a valid patent?!)

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by LtWorf »

drawingthesun wrote: post #91
runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

> Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker.

Nah it works completely fine. There is no photoshop, yes, but stuff does work.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by chongli »

lbwtaylor wrote: post #96
drawingthesun wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Apple constantly spams you with popup ads for their cloud services, far worse IMHO than any start menu nonsense. To each their own.

I’m paying like $4/mo for iCloud storage. All my files are backed up there. I don’t get any ads.

Is there an option like that on Windows?

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