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RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

SllX wrote: post #318
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Double click on the titlebar on MacOS means "expand as much as possible to fit all content". Not "maximise". Of course, I'd argue that maximise is the intuitive thing to expect, but the behaviour is not strictly broken, just... odd.

Strictly speaking it’s just different. The behavior is inherited from the classic Mac OS which initially predates and was developed contemporaneously with Windows. Apple assigned one behavior and Microsoft assigned another. To the extent that one is “more intuitive” it’s because your expectations as to what should happen is different, and “maximize” is a lot easier to behaviorally define, describe and program than “z…

Agreed.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

nix23 wrote: post #368
pjmlp wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is only a kernel, unlike FreeBSD which is a whole OS.

I was talking about Gnu/Linux and you know it. And hint, that's why the playstation etc has "just" parts of FreeBSD....they don't need tar and llvm in it. Your comment makes no sense in that regard.

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by tailspin2019 »

I’m going to do some good old Hacker News bike-shedding here…

Whenever I see something that looks like a poor copy of something else, it has an immediate (negative) effect on me from quite deep down.

It’s a variation of the uncanny valley I think.

The UI screenshots on the landing page all look like “best effort” copies of macOS UI elements but are just slightly off and that “slightly off” feeling really sits badly with me. This is not a intellectual judgement but an instinctive gut reaction.

I totally get what they’re trying to do, but I think it would be worth creating just a tiny bit more distance from the macOS design language because if you try to be a direct carbon copy of macOS, it’s just going to fail at at that.

It’s a bit like when you see cheap knock-off products replicating those of mainstream brands. The knock-offs could actually be quite well made but because they’re imitating other products they just don’t ever look right, and the failed imitation aspect overshadows everything else.

I wonder what others think (especially the macOS users amongst us).

Aside from that, I think the idea of the project is cool. It just needs more of its own identity I think.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pramsky »

oleganza wrote: post #124

I don't get it. The landing page promises finesse and then the very first screenshot displays horror typography and UI a-la linux 1998. https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3_installer_confirm.png

Those are screenshots from the old GUI which used X11/KDE. They are working on a new one which do not have any screenshots up yet.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by hjek »

Diris wrote: post #164
spidey1 wrote: post #144

How does this compare to Hello System? [1] [1] https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/

From the FAQ[0] ---------------- helloSystem: We have been in fact working with helloSystem! As some people have noticed, Release 0.2.X was basically helloSystem. (That was the second PoC. The first had been built on vanilla FreeBSD and had no GUI at all.) Under the hood, however, release 0.2.2 has a partial implementation of Cocoa, a modified compiler & linker that support frameworks, and several other additions tha…

Oh, so ravynOS would kind of be for macOS what ReactOS is for Windows?

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by themadturk »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #218
stolen_biscuit wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting - my experience has actually been the exact opposite. I always hesitate to update my Mac OS machine as it will inevitably break or misbehave, whereas I rarely run into issues upgrading my Ubuntu machine.

Crazy how much experiences vary… been riding the wave of macOS updates for years, always running the latest and breakage is rare, temporary, third party in nature, and is usually a result of the dev of the app in question not moving off of some deprecated API despite warnings that it would be getting removed in the near future.

In my experience, even betas are generally well-behaved. My MBA is only a "personal" machine, but none of the beta bugs I've encountered in either Monterey or Ventura have been debilitating. Standard OS updates have been virtually unnoticeable for me.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rovr138 »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #238

"Can I run Photoshop?"

> Can I run macOS apps on ravynOS? > No - not yet. This is a major goal and we're working towards it. So far, some trivial "hello world" binaries in C and Objective-C have been compiled on macOS Big Sur and the resulting Mach-O binaries ran on ravynOS using our in-dev Hybrid linker without any Frameworks or tools from macOS. Source code of some simple Cocoa AppKit-based applications have been built on ravynOS and run as native applications (e.g. Install ravynOS.app). While this is all very exciting, you will have to wait a bit longer to run Photoshop or Xcode.

first question, https://ravynos.com/faq.html

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

rovr138 wrote: post #377
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #238

"Can I run Photoshop?"

> Can I run macOS apps on ravynOS? > No - not yet. This is a major goal and we're working towards it. So far, some trivial "hello world" binaries in C and Objective-C have been compiled on macOS Big Sur and the resulting Mach-O binaries ran on ravynOS using our in-dev Hybrid linker without any Frameworks or tools from macOS. Source code of some simple Cocoa AppKit-based applications have been built on ravynOS and run…

Awesome - thank you for the comprehensive response. Best of luck to you and the project.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by neop1x »

adastra22 wrote: post #130
prmoustache wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear a lot of people saying that. What I find out mostly is their last experience of linux on a desktop dates back to the early 2000 and or crappy distros like ubuntu.

What distro works more reliably than ubuntu?

NixOS - it either works and you have a new generation, or it doesn't work and you keep the same state. If the new generation has some problems, you can switch to the previous one via a single command or select the previous one from the GRUB menu when booting.
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