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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by HWR_14 »

kernal wrote: post #553
HWR_14 wrote: post #536

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How about you tell me where I am wrong or how they are different . Because I read your wikipedia link and it just seemed to reinforce that it's extremely Googley with Play Store, Voice Assistant and GPS built in to Fords and Volvos. And I found no meaningful differences I didn't already cover. Nor did I on Volvo's page[1] [1] https://developer.volvocars.com/android-automotive/

You must have missed the part where the UI/UX was entirely created by Volvo. The Hummer UI is especially futuristic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNTisbC9-8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjRO1d0iQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravJtxu3N04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyfGRNe-FtU https://carbuzz.com/news/google-will-transform-bmws-dashboar...

I'm not going to watch like an hour of youtube videos. I tried scrubbing and didn't see any great UI, although if you want to show me some screenshots I'll look. But it also doesn't matter. I wasn't saying "the UI/UX is bad". I was saying "I don't want any touchscreen UX in my car". I also said "they are uploading my position, speed, car data and microphone data inside the car to Google, as well as letting them control the App Store to my car and thus impose things on all the apps I would want." Although Google may in fact process the audio locally.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by WorldMaker »

kernal wrote: post #532
hedora wrote: post #513

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Of course I blame Google for Samsung not providing upgrades to a Google-branded OS. Do you blame Dell when Microsoft screws up the start menu?

I must have mussed the part where Dell compiled the Windows OS source code and created their own OS. Additionally, do you blame Debian when Ubuntu isn't updated? According to your flawed logic, you do.

> I must have mussed the part where Dell compiled the Windows OS source code and created their own OS.

We don't know yet how much Ford plans to/is working to customize Android Automotive, just that they said they are customizing it. It may be pretty likely that they only plan to customize it about as far as Dell or Samsung do as the two above examples: change some logos, some default wallpaper, auto-install some different apps. None of those require recompiling Windows or Android from source (respectively) today, and there's reasonable assumptions that Google would intend Android Automotive to be similarly customizable by car vendors in ways that cellphone vendors customize Android today, so the analogy to Samsung may be very directly comparable.

> Additionally, do you blame Debian when Ubuntu isn't updated?

I have in the past. At one point when I was regularly using Ubuntu there were several apps that I couldn't easily install because the chain of blame was directly: the right library version for a dependency is not in Ubuntu's distribution; it's not in Ubuntu's distribution because it's not yet in Debian Unstable because it was causing problems in Debian Canary though that may have been because of other things Debian was trying to integrate around it. In such a case, that's definitely Debian's fault that Ubuntu wasn't updated in the way that I wanted it to be at that time. That's not flawed logic at all. Since then Ubuntu has done a lot more to isolate itself from Debian integration issues and the PPAs and Snap communities have done even more to expand what's possible without needing a full distro upgrade, but that doesn't mean there haven't been times when it was directly useful to point a finger at Debian rather than Ubuntu for an update problem.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by 1123581321 »

NobodyNada wrote: post #85
rmatt2000 wrote: post #46

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I used to own a Ford Fusion with an early version of Sync. The car itself was great. The Sync software by Microsoft, however, was not. One of the innumerable bugs was in the voice recognition system. No matter what song I requested, about half the time it played "Tiny Dancer" by Elton John. I was demonstrating this bug to a friend who asked "What happens when you request Tiny Dancer?" Sure enough, it played something…

I bought a Focus with Sync 1 last year, and it was infuriating. The most infuriating part was that every time the car starts it defaulted to aux in mode, and there’s no button on the panel to switch to Bluetooth — if I wanted to listen to music from my phone, it took about 8 or 9 button presses to navigate through three levels of nested menus to get to the “media source” option. Every time I got in the car. I finally…

Did you have any issues with the climate system? I’ve been thinking about doing this for an annoying Sync 3 unit but I’m worried it’s too deeply integrated in some way.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by askafriend »

bdamm wrote: post #370
julianlam wrote: post #361

I've always been of the opinion that automobile manufacturers have no business writing software. They just don't have the capability (currently) to do a good job. What they should have done is deliver kick-ass hardware in-tandem with CarPlay and Android Auto, and make THAT software first-class citizens. Every manufacturer is investing as little as they can on in-house (or off-shore) software teams to write crappy UIs…

Well, not every manufacturer. There is one notable automaker that has, is still, and will continue to invest enormous sums of money on the software.

It is the manufacturer whose name must remain unsaid.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by [deleted] »

rfwhyte wrote: post #533

I absolutely LOATHE the Verge's reviews. Just such low effort, "Let's talk about how this thing makes me FEEL rather than how it PERFORMS" garbage for an ostensibly tech focused website. Like they don't actually compare the Lightning against any of it's competitors, have no charts or graphs showcasing performance relative to competitors, ICE trucks, or over time, and they completely ignore one of the most damning per…

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by Handytinge »

kllrnohj wrote: post #245
ajross wrote: post #144

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Have you driven a Tesla much? The general UX intent is that you're not supposed to need to interact with the screen while driving. Wipers are automatic, lights are automatic (both can be pulsed with the stalks of course). Virtually everything responds to voice commands ("Play Stairway to Heaven", "Navigate to Albertsons", "Set temperature to 72", etc...). All this stuff works really well. I won't engage with "what pe…

Are Tesla's selling because of the interior or in spite of it? I suspect it's more the latter, and it's the powertrain and charging network that are actually the driving force behind Tesla sales, not the interior.

None of these are singular factors. Usually when people buy a car, it's a multi factored decision.

I did however fall in love with the simple interior of mine, as well as the instant power. I don't use the public charging network at all.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by Handytinge »

hedora wrote: post #406
ajross wrote: post #256

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Post a video and get famous. Meh. I'm sure stuff doesn't work somewhere for someone. But... come on. Voice recognition is a long solved problem. Tesla's works as wells as Amazon's or Apple's or whoever's, which is to say sure, it makes an occasional mistake, but it basically isn't a problem except in arguments like this one on the internet. Mine works great. I love it and use it every day. I'm sorry yours doesn't, bu…

It doesn't matter how well it works. I want a button. That way, I can adjust things without talking over passengers, and the kids cannot adjust things by talking to it. If I have to pish a button to activate it, then it is strictly more work than pushing a button. If it filters out all but the driver using stereo location, then the passenger can't futz with it for the driver on long trips.

FYI, most Teslas have two context sensitive buttons/scrolls/side clickers on the steering wheels, which can adjust many things.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by outworlder »

sangnoir wrote: post #546
deepGem wrote: post #443

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I see this sentiment everywhere outside the tech first ecosystem. In the generalization of 'workers'/'engineers' v/s 'supervisors'/'managers', programmers are often seen as just workers. For whatever reason, an MBA or even a BBA is seen as an officer/supervisor. Even product teams at tech first companies tend to represent this dogma. There are exceptions but the programmers are workers dogma is prevalent in this worl…

> So yeah, Ford might make a fast car, they will almost never be able to build a software driven car, which is the car of the future. I would kill for a "low-tech" EV - think Toyota Corolla[1], but with an electric power train. No touch screen, no "self driving" beyond lane assistance & adaptive cruise. Unfortunately, manufacturers are unwilling to start off with a low-margin products, but I believe that is the car o…

> I would kill for a "low-tech" EV - think Toyota Corolla[1], but with an electric power train. No touch screen, no "self driving" beyond lane assistance & adaptive cruise.

So... a base model Nissan Leaf?

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Post by sangnoir »

outworlder wrote: post #569
sangnoir wrote: post #546

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> So yeah, Ford might make a fast car, they will almost never be able to build a software driven car, which is the car of the future. I would kill for a "low-tech" EV - think Toyota Corolla[1], but with an electric power train. No touch screen, no "self driving" beyond lane assistance & adaptive cruise. Unfortunately, manufacturers are unwilling to start off with a low-margin products, but I believe that is the car o…

> I would kill for a "low-tech" EV - think Toyota Corolla[1], but with an electric power train. No touch screen, no "self driving" beyond lane assistance & adaptive cruise. So... a base model Nissan Leaf?

A Nissan leaf would be perfect if it had active battery cooling. Replacement batteries prices eye watering (relative to purchase price), and Nissan Leaf batteries lose capacity rapidly (based on older models), especially in hot climes
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