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Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by kernal »

HWR_14 wrote: post #516
kernal wrote: post #500

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I suggest you research Android Automotive and what exactly it is, as it's not an "Android phone". As for half of Americans not wanting to use Android, because it's Android, I find that statement amusing as you would rather force their customers to continue using their maligned Ford Sync system then a superior solution with an actual ecosystem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Automotive

Yes, it's not an Android phone . It's an Android tablet hardwired into my vehicle's bus so it can hoover up data directly from the vehicle and has to be on when the vehicle is. It still runs Google Maps (and reports my location to Google) has the Google Play Store (so any apps would also feed data and money to Google) and still permanently runs the microphone's input through Google's algorithms 24/7 for the Google Vo…

No, it's not an Android tablet, just like it's not an "Android phone" as you previously purported. I suggest you research Volvo's implementation of Android Automotive to get a better understanding of what it is rather than trying to equate it to an old version of Android you used on a phone or tablet.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by kernal »

hedora wrote: post #513
kernal wrote: post #492

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Why would Google pay for something Ford is entirely responsible for? Ford is rolling a customized version of Android Automotive, as all car OEMs are. Do you blame Google for Samsung not updating their phones?

Of course I blame Google for Samsung not providing upgrades to a Google-branded OS. Do you blame Dell when Microsoft screws up the start menu?

I must have mussed the part where Dell compiled the Windows OS source code and created their own OS.

Additionally, do you blame Debian when Ubuntu isn't updated? According to your flawed logic, you do.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by rfwhyte »

I absolutely LOATHE the Verge's reviews. Just such low effort, "Let's talk about how this thing makes me FEEL rather than how it PERFORMS" garbage for an ostensibly tech focused website. Like they don't actually compare the Lightning against any of it's competitors, have no charts or graphs showcasing performance relative to competitors, ICE trucks, or over time, and they completely ignore one of the most damning performance downsides of electric trucks, that being their greatly reduced range when towing or carrying heavy payloads.

Seriously, Verge's reviews are some of the lowest quality content from any so called "Major" tech site.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by vanilla_nut »

josephcsible wrote: post #382
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Unmitigated ? Are you not worried about the infrastructure impact of doubling the weight of most classes of vehicle?

A Tesla Model 3 weighs 3,582 lbs. Even if you chose a Smart Fortwo (1,984lb) as your comparison instead of an equivalent-size ICE vehicle, it's still not doubling the weight.

That is the lightest variant of the Model 3. Every other Tesla, save the Roadster, weighs over 4,000 lbs: https://electrek.co/2021/08/02/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh-c... Many are over 5,000, for a sedan/compact SUV.

My compact SUV is 3,000 lbs. The sedan I used before that was less than 2,500 lbs.

And it's not like Teslas are exceptionally large vehicles. The Cybertruck is probably going to clock in at 7,000 lbs or so.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by kipchak »

vel0city wrote: post #258
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Wouldn't it engage a heavier fan speed if there was a smaller disparity in temperature? For example if it's 75 in the car and I'd like it to be 72 turning the AC down to 70 would engage a heavier fan speed with the downside of increased noise, so practically I would cool down quicker by setting it to 70 and could then adjust back up to 72. But more practically, if I start catching a lot of sun from the window I might…

The car knows how intense the sun is. It has sensors to measure that. Coupled with some decent low emissive tint it's really not hard for it to handle such an idea. I live in Texas. I assure you I live in an area with high heat and intense sun. My cars have glass roofs. My cars seem to handle it fine.

Perhaps it depends on complexity of the system? I like in Florida and have to do some tuning occasionally, but I think it just has a typical in cabin and ambient sensor and isn't aware of how much sunlight there is.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by HWR_14 »

kernal wrote: post #531
HWR_14 wrote: post #516

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Yes, it's not an Android phone . It's an Android tablet hardwired into my vehicle's bus so it can hoover up data directly from the vehicle and has to be on when the vehicle is. It still runs Google Maps (and reports my location to Google) has the Google Play Store (so any apps would also feed data and money to Google) and still permanently runs the microphone's input through Google's algorithms 24/7 for the Google Vo…

No, it's not an Android tablet, just like it's not an "Android phone" as you previously purported. I suggest you research Volvo's implementation of Android Automotive to get a better understanding of what it is rather than trying to equate it to an old version of Android you used on a phone or tablet.

How about you tell me where I am wrong or how they are different . Because I read your wikipedia link and it just seemed to reinforce that it's extremely Googley with Play Store, Voice Assistant and GPS built in to Fords and Volvos. And I found no meaningful differences I didn't already cover. Nor did I on Volvo's page[1]

[1] https://developer.volvocars.com/android-automotive/

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by josephcsible »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #534
josephcsible wrote: post #382

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A Tesla Model 3 weighs 3,582 lbs. Even if you chose a Smart Fortwo (1,984lb) as your comparison instead of an equivalent-size ICE vehicle, it's still not doubling the weight.

That is the lightest variant of the Model 3. Every other Tesla, save the Roadster, weighs over 4,000 lbs: https://electrek.co/2021/08/02/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh-c... Many are over 5,000, for a sedan/compact SUV. My compact SUV is 3,000 lbs. The sedan I used before that was less than 2,500 lbs. And it's not like Teslas are exceptionally large vehicles. The Cybertruck is probably going to clock in at 7,000 lbs or s…

None of Tesla's sedans or compact SUVs are over 5,000lbs. Their only vehicle over 5,000lbs is the Model X, their big SUV. The only ICE vehicle you mentioned that weighs less than half of that was a sedan. And the Cybertruck is going to be in the same class as the F-250, the lightest of which is 5,677lbs.

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Post by mrguyorama »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #505
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> OEMs are significantly less invested in their developers and the quality of the software they produce than any FAANG. We must be using different FAANG software because the ones I use on a daily basis are slow and buggy as all hell. The last few versions of macOS/iOS have been atrocious. Every version of CarPlay I've used has bugs. Amazon apps are full of glitches. Compare that to developing engine ECU software whic…

Want to know something terrifying? ECU code is often nearly as sloppily written as that JavaScript. They follow MISRA and usually have a couple "QA" teams to catch the most egregious errors of course, but the overall quality is eerily similar to what you'd get if half the team came straight out of a time machine from 1995. I've had to give informational sessions on why boot systems should have redundancy and what und…

And yet the ECU shipped with nearly every car for the past few decades almost never fails through millions of cycles.

I think all this "ECU code is bad" stuff is just people who don't like the style of the produced code. Are you sure those edge cases aren't accounted for in other ways? Maybe they decided that everything should be "best case" code, and any error just resets the ECU which boots up before the next spark event needs to be triggered.

I just cannot square how much people complain about the code in ECUs with how utterly reliable they are. Consider the group that investigated VW cars cheating on emissions. The system was complex and obfuscated, but also powerful, reliable, and configurable by the manufacturer.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by suction »

RichardCA wrote: post #518
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From my limited experience, I think in bigger European companies (not 10-20 people tech startups) you will have people with little to no technical background doing the domain research and the managing of engineers. I've worked in a French company which calls itself a "tech" company, but upper and middle management was purely people with a controlling, legal, or MBA background. The engineers working there were great,…

> "create something like Facebook" There's nothing inherently wrong with adding social media features to your customer portal, as long as you understand people will use it to vent their complaints, and you will have to spend money on moderation to keep it from turning into a cesspool. I still remember when Netflix turned off all their social integration, especially the ability to leave movie reviews and get kudos via…

I agree with you, if a company has a big enough name and user base, social-network-like features can add to the UX.

What our managers were seriously pondering was to create an actual competitor to Facebook that would draw their user base to our website, a company with around 10.000 b2b customers (if even) which had nothing to sell in the b2c channel.

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