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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?
I'm refuting your argument. You said: "well you could live here, but your loan was denied, sorry" My response was that there are laws that prohibit institutions from denying loans based on the factors you have cited.
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Yup, minority here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable living anywhere except the US, Canada, the UK, and maybe ANZ. The Anglo-world in general is far more welcoming to people of color than anywhere else. I'm sure I could be comfortable wherever I am in the world, but it would be extremely difficult for me to thrive and see myself in a position of leadership (either in the private sector or the government) anywhere outs…
> You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman It's quite contradictory with what happens in practice. You can absolutely go live in France and be considered a Frenchman. However Americans will always identify you by your family's origin, even if you're born in the US. Actually that difference in how countries see nationality was well illustrated when France won the soccer World Cup, and American c…
> "After the 2016 election, Columbia University professor Mark Lilla wrote a New York Times essay, “The End of Identity Liberalism,” making an argument similar to Araud’s (a piece that also follows a long tradition of liberal hand-wringing about identity in the US). In the piece, Lilla even cited his time taking a sabbatical in France as formative of his opinions on this subject.
> American liberalism’s emphasis on identity and difference, Lilla argues, is destroying the foundations of democracy in the country — helping the far right in precisely the way that Araud says
To be absolutely clear, I don't deny that modern American liberals employ rhetoric directly at odds with Reagan's quote, it's in fact exactly the point I'm trying to make. You can pretty much draw a straight line from that brand of progressivism to the predisposition to draw the (in my opinion false) conclusion that America is more racist than other peer countries. From my experience as a 1st-generation immigrant, that has been not only false, but I see my success as mostly being capped by the color of my skin in every other country except for the US, UK, Canada, and ANZ. I know that to hold true for basically 100% of my peers as well.
You don't just have to take my word for it, it's been true for pretty much every single immigrant group in American history. I recommend reading this thread which makes the argument better than I ever could: https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1469031915768279045
> The American immigrant story -- arrive with little, work hard and move up over three or four generations, win a place in the middle class and a place in the national tapestry even in the face of discrimination -- is still firmly in place, folks.
American progressives (especially those like Trevor Noah) take this for granted in the world, and tend to undervalue just how unique it is; this kind of economic convergence within 3-4 generations is extremely atypical in the developed world. It's well and good that a handful of Africans go on to become successful football players in France, but normal non-athletic Muslim immigrants to France actually tend to suffer from multi-generational poverty.
Also, while the Vox piece you linked paints the French as tolerant and proud of their footballers, scandalized by Trevor Noah, the reality is a bit more complicated: https://twitter.com/footballfactly/status/102113333053048422.... Across Europe, footballers of color are only conditionally accepted.
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> greater danger of social thought-police People are concerned about existing as they were born as well. I think those people are less concerned about whether or not your grandma can be honest about her feelings towards black people. > I don’t think she uttered a racial epithet to anyone in her whole life I’ll start by saying this is an assumption and likely untrue. As previously stated, lots of people who are racist…
Their existence can not be negated by inner thoughts or insults. My only point is much of racism is reflexive and most of the time not acted on in any measurable way. I've heard many other instances of people using racial epithets or politically incorrect jokes that are nothing more. People generally find a way to get along and don't like to waste energy on unnecessary strife if they can help it.
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I certainly didn't mean to discredit empirical studies. I meant to remind a white guy saying that in his experience racists "don't hold any significant power in terms of holding people back" that if he was black, he might have a different experience. As for empirical data, there's tons. Maybe start with this Brookings report since it's on the topic of the OP (housing) https://www.brookings.edu/research/biased-apprais…
This study, by it's own admission in the summary, does not have a cause for the 23% net difference in house values (55% gross, 23% remaining after adjusting for home quality, maintenance, and other market characteristics). Specifically: "The question is: What explains this? We don’t know with any precision. In our paper, we reviewed literature on racial bias and pointed to its potential as an explanation, writing: “O…
I'm not familiar with a narrative that racism is getting worse. My impression (and I thought this was in line with US liberal thinking) is that we are now beginning to admit that racism didn't go away with the end of slavery, it didn't go away with the end of segregation; it's still here. I'd say things are getting better, because many white people acknowledge racism instead of pretending it doesn't exist.
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The problem isn't overt racists so much as subtle, persistent bias, which absolutely holds people back in very significant ways. See my comment about my grandmother. And... unless you're in a marginalized minority group, you really aren't in a position to know how racist people are. Oh yeah, I just remembered, we also recently had a president for four years who was overly racist. Remember his attacks on Judge Curiel?…
Your claim of overt racism is incorrect, it was shaped from the filter of the news media. I would recommend that you look outside the bubble and look at the framing. A great example was how shutting down travel at the start of Covid-19 was seen as racist. Yet, there should have been no issue as it was the only thing we can do in our global environment to slow the situation. Yet, the people in charge came up with that…
"When Mexico sends its people, ... they're rapists." - Donald Trump
That time he said April Ryan (reporter) should "go set up the meeting" with the congressional black caucus for him.
Shithole countries.
The Muslim ban. Which for a while people around him tried to get him to pretend wasn't a Muslim ban, but really wanted to keep using those words, so he did.
I don't have any complaints about shutting down travel over COVID-19. It should have happened sooner, and I don't know anyone who ever disagreed with that. On the other hand, he did go out of his way to unneccessarily try and rename COVID the "China virus," which sure looked like racial scapegoating to me.
But, I would say that his mysogyny is much worse. And, his love for dictators. ("love" being his term)
Was surprised to see “Singapore”, expected “Bay Area.” When I left my last rental after buying a house, my elderly white landlord asked me to help him put the property on Craigslist. When I did so and mentioned the Cupertino school district, he asked me to remove that part because “it would attract too many Indian families with kids” to avoid the curry smell. He had no issue with other Asian ethnicities, the previous…
Indian here. My company had booked a B&B when i was staying in UK for few months. Once i got Indian takeout, the landlady did not want that to be brought to the room because of curry smell. But the whole building smelled when they cooked some meat/pork. Even the bath towels smelled. I suppose its what the smell you are used to.
And the thing is, she does! There is a genetic expression the yields the difference between wet:dry::European:Asian populations and it also affects our other excretion glands!
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/body-odor-asia... (just after the graphs, near the end)
One becomes desensitized to the local fragrance ps over time. When everyone/everything stinks, no locals really smell it.
Ask a horsie person if the barns stink. At best they’ll agree it has a smell.
Interestingly, I encountered a new-to-me “white peoples smell of dogs” rumour. The discussion lends credence to the idea that genetically distinctive populations have different body odours.
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-black-people-think-that...
Edit: mostly diet differences, I think, which also tracks closely with the gene discussed in the first link.
This is one of the few instances that I've seen open discrimination agains white western people in Japan. In my journey for renting a place, after a couple of visits and getting a "no because he's a gaikokujin (foreigner)" I asked the agent to disclose it firstly. He did, but tactfully: he is a foreigner who is learning Japanese and came to the university in Japan and is hired by traditional company X and blabla. Sti…
Might it be because of the additional legal requirements for a landlord in case of foreign tenants? Or it's really because they don't like non-Japanese?
if you can read/write and converse natively i think you can get an apartment; your real estate agent can vouch for you and alleviate their concerns etc
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As far as I recall, institutional racism in western European colonial powers seems to predate extensive interaction with societies in Asia, and typically stems from the colonization of Africa and subsequent slave trade which depended on a dehumanization, initially at the hands of Portugal. There’s a loose argument in this editorial [1], although not the one I’ve seen before. [1] https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Racism isn't just limited to the ones that are accepted as races in the modern day USA (Latino, Black, White, Middle Eastern, Indian, Asian, Pacific Islander). And dehumanization and slavery has happened in many more places and times that the Atlantic Slave Trade. Whilst the current main racism problems in the US all stem from this and colonialism, everywhere in the world has their own unique problems as well.
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>Racism is relative. >things like affirmative action and prefered minority hiring would be seen as totally racist here No they aren't Whole Central Europe from Poland to Hungary through Ukraine and the Balkan and racist against Roma people. Pretty much everyone hates them. Most governments and the EU have special programs to help Roma people to get jobs because they are discriminated everywhere.
If a Roma individual took up a job and integrated with society, would they still be Roma?
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> He ultimately died of a fentanyl overdose, and there is video evidence he was out of control at the time. Neither of these things are true.
It was a debate in the trial, but the presence of drugs can not be ruled out. "An autopsy found methamphetamine and fentanyl in Floyd’s system at the time of his death. Investigators also found pills contained methamphetamine and fentanyl inside Floyd’s SUV and the backseat of a squad car officers tried to push him into. "Schleicher pointed jurors toward the testimony of a forensic toxicologist who found fentanyl lev…