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Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Landlording is something that is likely to make a person more racist. A couple of bad experiences and you start preferring people similar to those that did not give trouble in the past.

Too bad there isn't a service that could look into the historical background of prospective tenants to gain references, criminal, credit, job and salary information. Completely objective and mostly without inherent prejudices. We may even call it something like "a background check". Just spitballing ideas!

Because someone who has a stolen food from a store once is a bad tenant? Or someone who once forget to pay a credit card bill is bad tenant? Landlords should simply not be allowed to deny a potential tenant unless they can't pay. You don't play games with living essentials.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#52

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

Yup, minority here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable living anywhere except the US, Canada, the UK, and maybe ANZ. The Anglo-world in general is far more welcoming to people of color than anywhere else. I'm sure I could be comfortable wherever I am in the world, but it would be extremely difficult for me to thrive and see myself in a position of leadership (either in the private sector or the government) anywhere outside of those countries.

There's a famous quote (perhaps apocryphally) attributed to Reagan: "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Turkey or Japan, but you cannot become a German, a Turk, or a Japanese. But anyone, from any corner of the Earth, can come to live in America and become an American."

As a brown man, I feel this viscerally; I am not only deeply proud to be American, but I feel accepted as an American by my non-immigrant peers.

I think the nuanced way of putting it isn't so much that "America is not racist", it's that every country in the world deals with racism as a problem, but America is perhaps among the least racist.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#53

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

Speaking of "overt":

South African Racism vs. American Racism

https://youtu.be/XUuLDkDSJKg

Gist of his answer is south African Racism is "blacks can't live here", US Racism is "well you could live here, but your loan was denied, sorry"

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#54
post #26

It's so strange to see how racism and discrimination is carried out in other countries. Even more so when that country is a highly developed like Singapore. Being from the US where housing is highly protected, due mostly to decades of racial discrimination, I'm just thinking "holy shit they'd be eaten alive with the lawsuits coming their way for so blatantly putting it out there." Also, > 99.co is now tackling this b…

Racism is relative.... I live in a former socialist country (with red stars, government owning the means of production and also a dictator), and things like affirmative action and prefered minority hiring would be seen as totally racist here.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#55

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

> Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt.

As a Canadian living in Malaysia (just shy of being in the top 10 most racist countries[1]) this is definitely true (although not against me as a Caucasian). There have been several times where I am in a Grab and the casual conversation with the driver all of the sudden turns racist whether it's against Chinese, Bangladeshi, Indian etc. People over here are much less concerned about tact and racism is no exception.

[1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-raci...

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#56
post #2

A similar thing happened to me and my partner in the US, in a fairly liberal part, so I'm not entirely surprised that it's happening in SEA. People wouldn't rent to us because we told them we cook at home and these white folks were like "but Indian food smells!"

That may be illegal depending on what type of rental setup they had.

https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/f...

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#57

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

Just because other countries may have it worse doesn't mean that we're doing well. Look at our prison demographics -- black men are over-represented by a factor of two.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#58
post #2

A similar thing happened to me and my partner in the US, in a fairly liberal part, so I'm not entirely surprised that it's happening in SEA. People wouldn't rent to us because we told them we cook at home and these white folks were like "but Indian food smells!"

> white folks were like "but Indian food smells!"

It does smell... freaking delicious.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

#59
post #10

Was surprised to see “Singapore”, expected “Bay Area.” When I left my last rental after buying a house, my elderly white landlord asked me to help him put the property on Craigslist. When I did so and mentioned the Cupertino school district, he asked me to remove that part because “it would attract too many Indian families with kids” to avoid the curry smell. He had no issue with other Asian ethnicities, the previous…

Is it legal to mandate, as a landlord, not cooking with curry? Or requiring a cleaning surcharge if one does so without e.g. properly ventilating, washing one’s hands and using odor absorbers?

It's weird, but probably not illegal. If they can mandate you not to smoke then this should not be a problem.

Getting a smell out of a place is not possible with cleaning and ventilation. It eats into everything, you need to paint again and possibly get rid of furniture.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is impossible to charge a fee large enough to recoup costs of certain smells. Many years ago, when I worked at a hotel catering to long term stays, a portion of the clientele used to be Indian families working for TCS/Infosys/Cognizant/Gentech/etc. Their rooms were automatically put out of order for 2 to 3 weeks after their anticipated departure date, because there was a sufficiently high probability it would need…

> impossible to charge a fee large enough to recoup costs of certain smells Why? Hotels that permit pets frequently have astronomical my-pet-peed fees. The point of the fee is less to be charged and more to signal that someone shouldn’t take the room if that’s a probability.

It is rare that a hotel guest will pay the fee. Credit/debit cards forbid merchants from collecting for damages, so unless you have a signature signed or nowadays EMV chip approved transaction from the guest for the specific amount of the fee, they can simply do a chargeback and get their money back.

The next option is court, but of course, proving a specific person caused a specific damage in a hotel is also near impossible without spending too much in legal costs. Pets are always a headache for hotels because the probability of the pet causing high dollar amount damage is so high. Scratches and whatnot on furniture, ripping carpet, peeing and pooping. Replacing furniture and carpet and whatnot easily gets into thousands of dollars. I know the hotel I worked at made a loss on pets even though pet fees were collected.

>The point of the fee is less to be charged and more to signal that someone shouldn’t take the room if that’s a probability.

Yes, just like smoking fees. You basically have to re-floor and repaint the walls and probably replace all the furniture and fixtures to undo long term effects of cigarette smoke to a dwelling. Hence why any decent hotel will do mandatary semi weekly or at least weekly checks of all hotel rooms (regardless if the guest has a do or disturb sign).

Anytime you allow someone on your premises, you introduce all sorts of risks, and getting rid of them is not as simple as calling the police, especially when tenancy rights get involved such as with hotels. So if you want to stay in business, you have to be proactive on monitoring against these risks.

Hence the use of credit card security deposits as discrimination against those who have no credit cards. It is the most effective way to reduce your probability of having to incur huge costs from problematic hotel guests.

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