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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by zeroth32 »

ChrisRR wrote: post #108
zeroth32 wrote: post #96

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I understand casteism, I worked with indian devs for two decades. I would suggest you to read what Gandi said about negros. I have a news for you; "brown" people can be racist too. White westerners do not have a monopoly on racism!

I never said that Indian people can't be racist. I'm sure they can be racist, caste-ist or whatever the hell "ist" they like. But that doesn't automatically make them the same thing

Ok, sorry that was way too confrontational. I guess it boils down to definition of a "race". But given historical parallels, I still insist casteism is a type of racism.

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Post by whynaut »

boplicity wrote: post #118
Bilal_io wrote: post #57

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If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. This includes let's say for example an Indian that hires a white person just because they're white.

> If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. Let's say a company is set to hire 1,000 employees. For the first 900 hires, they intentionally exclude white people. Should they, then, make up for this intentional exclusion by then prioritizing white people in their hiring? Or should they correct the problem by giving those who were intentionally excluded priority? In othe…

There is no reasonable answer for this strange hypothetical, probably because it is not presented in good faith.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

shapefrog wrote: post #117
misnome wrote: post #111

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> Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices So, every field and job market has exactly the same distribution as the entire country?

Wouldnt it be nice. Or are you suggesting that some races / genders / etc are better at some things than others?

> Or are you suggesting that some races / genders / etc are better at some things than others?

Aren't they? Women are worse at pretty much every sport than men, and NBA teams are very far away from average racial representation in general population.

Even with non-physical activities, asians are overrepresented in many technical areas, and there were/are even lawsuits [0] about discriminating asians in favour of other races in colleges.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...

> Arcidiacono suggested that the applicant's race plays a significant role in admissions decisions.[8] According to his testimony, if an Asian American applicant with certain characteristics (like scores, GPAs, and extracurricular activities, family background) would result in a 25% statistical likelihood of admission, the same applicant, if white, will have a 36% likelihood of admission.[8] Hispanic and Black applicants with the same characteristics will have a 77% and 95% predicted chance of admission, respectively.[8]

So yeah... chances of getting a male asian programmer are relatively higher than their representation in the general population.

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Post by yardie »

paxys wrote: post #125
yardie wrote: post #69

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I'm not Indian American my origins are Caribbean but I have some Indian origins and can offer a few answers from my experience. > Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? It starts casually with "where are you from?" and the questions get more invasive. > Do names tend to correlate to you caste? In India, yes it does family name is derived from caste. I had some friends adopt English names to ge…

> I had some friends adopt English names to get from under their caste names. So quite a few Johnsons, Smiths, Matthews, Pauls out there. There is an interesting history behind this. When Christian missionaries first arrived in India to spread their religion (in the late 1700s/1800s) they were initially unable to make much progress, but then found success among lower caste Indians by promising them a life of equality…

LOL. The first Indian American I met with an English surname I assumed was adopted. Then I met another with the same surname and assumed they were related.

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Post by causi »

rockyj wrote: post #71

Just to spread awareness on how evil and ingrained this system is (this is from yesterday) - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jaipur/rajasthan-we...

Teacher beats their son to death and then offers them three grand. Jesus christ.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by shapefrog »

devmunchies wrote: post #126
shapefrog wrote: post #99

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https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221 Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices - 60% white, 20% hispanic / latino, 15% black, 5% asia (subcontinent & se asia).

Well this article is about Apple so you’ll want the Santa Clara county census. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/santaclaracountycalifornia Whites (non-Hispanic) are only 28.9% and Asians/Indians are 40.6%.

~ 50% of apple employees are in CA, the rest are spread around the country. But sure, so long as there is a consistent measurement to work with.

https://www.apple.com/job-creation/

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Post by tawaywoah2 »

flerchin wrote: post #123

California treats ancestry as a protected class, and discrimination by ancestry is illegal. Not being a Desi, I struggle to see how this is not already covered.

>> California treats ancestry as a protected class, and discrimination by ancestry is illegal. Not being a Desi, I struggle to see how this is not already covered.

It is covered, but not enforced because evidence is difficult. Caste discrimination in Silicon Valley is usually about putting someone from a lower caste into an impossible project that is destined to fail, and boom...now you've got your PIP quota ready for the coming season.

The insane cases you hear are the egregious cases that are court-worthy.

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