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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by misnome »

shapefrog wrote: post #99
short_sells_poo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm strongly generalizing here, but the overall population statistics might mean that minorities hiring minorities is more of an outlier than white people hiring white people. In a predominantly white society, it is perfectly conceivable that you'll hire predominantly white people even if you are completely unbiased, purely because they are strongly over-represented in the population. White people hiring white people…

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221 Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices - 60% white, 20% hispanic / latino, 15% black, 5% asia (subcontinent & se asia).

> Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices

So, every field and job market has exactly the same distribution as the entire country?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by FlyingSnake »

FactolSarin wrote: post #41

Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?

There are various caste markers that casteist people use to identify the caste of the other person. Some of them include food preferences, accents (yes Indian languages also have different accents). I have seen that people can be casteist on both ends of a spectrum and it’s really hard to tell what marker of yours will be noted by the other party. I’ve seen that most people these days don’t try to pretend about hiding their caste, especially due to the mainstream anti-casteism movements. I personally don’t give a damn about people guessing my caste based on my rural accent and dietary habits.

Edit: I must add that while I’ve seen discussions around caste privileges, but I’ve never been discriminated against based on my caste. The only discrimination I’ve faced is the standard discrimination against non-white peoples.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by tomrod »

ummonk wrote: post #17
dimitrios1 wrote: post #14

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I work predominately with Indian coworkers. You are exactly correct in my view. Racism has technically been banned in the United States wholesale since the Civil Rights act, yet we struggle with the effects still today. This is a step in a right direction, but it should be seen as only as the beginning.

Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism.

This doesn't sound right.

Weren't castes based on race and conquering populations initially?

How would you describe casteism's status among expatriated Indian populations at a population level? Or is the fact one refers to a population at all to be help in contempt as "racism"?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by shapefrog »

ummonk wrote: post #13

I have mixed feelings on this. There are of course things that aren't explicitly prohibited by workplace policies but are no doubt unacceptable - e.g. discriminating against left-handed employees. But it's still useful to have explicit policies against caste discrimination to make clear that it's unacceptable. On the other hand, as an Indian in a top tech company we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (…

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by ValentineC »

greatpostman wrote: post #12

looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

I don't know if it's nepotism, but Changi Business Park [1], a tech hub in Singapore, is nicknamed Chennai Business Park [2], for much of the same reason outlined in this thread.

[1] http://www.changibusinesspark.com/

[2] https://www.google.com/search?q=chennai+business+park

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by shapefrog »

misnome wrote: post #111
shapefrog wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221 Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices - 60% white, 20% hispanic / latino, 15% black, 5% asia (subcontinent & se asia).

> Anything not aligned with the breakdown here is just straight up racist hiring practices So, every field and job market has exactly the same distribution as the entire country?

Wouldnt it be nice.

Or are you suggesting that some races / genders / etc are better at some things than others?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by boplicity »

Bilal_io wrote: post #57
yunohn wrote: post #38

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If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. This includes let's say for example an Indian that hires a white person just because they're white.

> If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it.

Let's say a company is set to hire 1,000 employees. For the first 900 hires, they intentionally exclude white people. Should they, then, make up for this intentional exclusion by then prioritizing white people in their hiring? Or should they correct the problem by giving those who were intentionally excluded priority?

In other words, should the racist status quo be allowed to continue, or should it be intentionally corrected?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by colechristensen »

greatpostman wrote: post #12

looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

Having done many interviews around silicon valley, the demographics of companies definitely seem very ... themed. Not necessarily monochromatic for a particular ethnic group, but a small set of ethic groups usually overwhelmingly represented.

And at that, this wasn't a thing that seemed particularly biased towards one theme.

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