Just to spread awareness on how evil and ingrained this system is (this is from yesterday) - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jaipur/rajasthan-we...
Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination
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This is a great example of the kind of hyper-reactivity that makes conversation on most of the internet absolutely impossible. The parent said they didn't see this in the article, don't imagine they'd gain from it, and asked for more info about it - all totally reasonable thoughts and expressed without negativity. And yet you responded with snide superiority, as though your dialogue with this person was already an ar…
100%. I found the books “how to have impossible conversations” and “crucial conversations” helpful for me, but in a nutshell they’re basically “say things in a way that protect the other side’s ego”
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At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…
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Cisco is famous for being sued for all sides. They let go of middle-aged white people (who sue) and then hire young Indians they can underpay (who also sue.)
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#74looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG
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> Meanwhile, your Indian coworkers are quietly putting in the hours day in and day out
Hours != Getting things done.
You can have your butt in the chair 9/9/6 and be less productive than someone who only works 30 hours a week.
There's a reason senior leadership promotions is about being a force multiplier and not the number of hours we put in.
Measuring number of hours as productivity is the way to burn out.
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#75> lawsuit about alleged casteism Why is it just not called racism? Introducing new terms kind of derails the problem. India (and Africa, China, Asia...) has a system where people with lighter skin are consider as "better". People with fair (whiter) skin are considered aristocracy, that never had to work outside on fields. And castes could not intermarry for couple of thousands of years, it is legitimate to consider t…
Just because you don't understand a term, doesn't mean you can just swap it for a term that you do understand.
Go read up on what the caste system is, its history and how it effects life within India. It seems you'll learn something new.
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#76This is a good step forward but wait until Apple realizes that Indians discriminate on many other factors including but not limited to skin color, state of origin, region of origin (North vs South vs NorthEast), mother tongue, religion (Hindu vs Muslim), Political beliefs (Left vs Right).
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Casteism is much more worse. You or your children or your grandchildren atleast have a chance on moving up in class in a capitalistic society like West. In Casteist society you neither your descendants can ever leave your caste and will always face discrimination does not matter how much money you have.
You can just change your surname. Nobody will be able to tell your caste. Upward mobility in castes is a lot given the world has moved a lot from the traditional four profession system of priest, warrior, trader and labourer. People work in professions different than their so called caste. This is especially true of immigrants coming to US.
Why not tell all higher castes to change their names to that of lower castes to accomplish the same flattening, except that you'd prefer to leave it to the powerless to solve their own subjugation
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I'm strongly generalizing here, but the overall population statistics might mean that minorities hiring minorities is more of an outlier than white people hiring white people.
In a predominantly white society, it is perfectly conceivable that you'll hire predominantly white people even if you are completely unbiased, purely because they are strongly over-represented in the population. White people hiring white people is thus not a statistical outlier, and while there is definitely nepotism going on in this cadre as well, it's less easy to pinpoint just based on the race.
On the other hand, you will likely have to go out of your way to build a team mostly staffed by minorities unless there's some other bias, e.g. that minority is over-represented in your specialty. In this case, if you have a team purely of a homogenous race that is otherwise a small minority of the overall population, it is more of an outlier. That's not saying there's nepotism at hand, but the likelihood of such a team composition arising naturally without some direct bias is simply lower than in case of a team composed of the major race of the population.
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Casteism is much more worse. You or your children or your grandchildren atleast have a chance on moving up in class in a capitalistic society like West. In Casteist society you neither your descendants can ever leave your caste and will always face discrimination does not matter how much money you have.
Wow that is batshit. This article made me read up more in castes and. . . Wtf?
I mean the US had a system like this 60 years ago. South Africa 30.
Indian caste system is more a quantitive outlier (I.e the number of castes/classes is the outlier) rather than a qualitative change.