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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Attributing characterstics to popultions of hundreds of millions based on anecdotal data from a handful cannot be accurate, just perpetuates stereotypes and doesn't help.

If you are stereotypically a hard worker, selfless, and familial, this is bad and doesn't help? Doesn't help what?

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Casteism is an elaborated form of Classism, which the West will not ban because the whole society depends on that discrimination to decide who’s “smart”

Casteism is much more worse. You or your children or your grandchildren atleast have a chance on moving up in class in a capitalistic society like West. In Casteist society you neither your descendants can ever leave your caste and will always face discrimination does not matter how much money you have.

You can just change your surname. Nobody will be able to tell your caste. Upward mobility in castes is a lot given the world has moved a lot from the traditional four profession system of priest, warrior, trader and labourer. People work in professions different than their so called caste. This is especially true of immigrants coming to US.

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Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?

Your surname literally gives it away.

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This is a great example of the kind of hyper-reactivity that makes conversation on most of the internet absolutely impossible. The parent said they didn't see this in the article, don't imagine they'd gain from it, and asked for more info about it - all totally reasonable thoughts and expressed without negativity. And yet you responded with snide superiority, as though your dialogue with this person was already an ar…

Pessimizer should be more optimistic

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At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

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If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. This includes let's say for example an Indian that hires a white person just because they're white.

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More like desperate H1Bs that are afraid to shake the boat because one wrong move and they are out of the country. We shouldn't celebrate slave mentality.

Again, I pre-empted these types of debates by saying we can split hairs on why this is.

I am not denying this is the case for some, but also it's not the entire picture. I know plenty non-H1Bs that fit this bill, and there have been plenty of articles written on the rise of the Indian-American worker, especially in the tech sector https://www.southasiamonitor.org/spotlight/unprecedented-ris..., use your favorite search engine for a plethora of other recent articles on the subject.

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Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism.

> Casteism, while bad, is not racism Open to this argument. But every definition of race I’ve seen constructed to exclude caste seems contrived. The system has imprinted itself as far down as hair shaft diameter [1]. > Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism Sympathetic to this. It’s like saying all white people are racist. It’s ingrained in the Indian culture, and I think anyone coming fr…

There are some correlations between phenotypes and caste (and there is a lot of genetic stratification when you look at ancestry), but caste really cuts across race - there are lower caste groups in North India that look more "white" than upper caste groups in South India.
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