I always find it funny how there are massive east asian only groups in all major corporate entities. This is not diversity, this is racism. Nice work FANG.
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Google’s caste-bias problem
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Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
and they get there through working their ass off but that is totally off topic as far as what op was asking.
Or in the case of [big tech company] interns, getting matched to a team purely for being Chinese. For a while there was a big Mandarin-only mailing list that coordinated this type of ingroup selection within [big tech company]. HR found out and shut it down. It was unclear whether those running the list realized what they were doing was highly illegal. If they had just waited a few years it would still be illegal, bu…
Why don’t you fit in any of those groups?
You could easily declare yourself “mildly autistic” and “agender” and become neurodiverse and queer.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's entirely possible for both to be right: different companies have different DEI policies. At Dropbox from 2015-2019 we had 4 diversity categories, from most to least desirable: * Double diverse: Black or Latin + female * diverse: white or Asian female, or Black or Latin male. * standard: white male * Negatively diverse: Asian male So it definitely is the case that asian males are even more undesirable than white…
Great grandparent said nothing about "companies", but "life", so the fact that different companies may discriminate in different ways is irrelevant to their point, is it not?
The entire context of this thread is bias in employment at Google. If the parent comment wants to clarify what they're talking about, I'll let them do it rather than have other speak on their behalf.
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#224Deleted because it’s clear I won’t change anyones mind. People who want to believe that Google is guilty, will believe they are guilty no matter what.
Please don't rage-delete comments. It renders the discussion unreadable because the context is gone.
Believe me, I understand how impossibly frustrating it can be to represent a minority/contrarian view in an internet discussion on an inflammatory topic, but turning over the chessboard and storming off—which is what deleting comments and leaving spiteful remnants in their place amounts to—is not a positive contribution.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#225The Indian caste system is Google's problem to solve? Let's talk about Google's caste system. There are at least two main castes at Google: The "Googlers" who get all the perks, and the support staff who do all the work and get far fewer perks. The upper caste gets meals, those nifty buses, medical care, etc. The lower caste does not get all those things (I think they get meals, but not in the same cafeteria) and the…
"support staff who do all the work and get far fewer perks", what do the support staff do? Are they also engineers, or are they the ones doing the non-product work at Google. Since you said they do all the work, I guess they're directly working on the products as well?
They do all the physical work, janitor, maintenance, cooking, cleaning, etc. Everything that isn't sitting at a desk typing on a keyboard.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
When someone can look at a pair of parents and tell you their kid’s “tribe,” the difference between tribe and race becomes purely semantic.
Yes, that is my point. Everyone is constantly evaluating everyone else and placing them in different tribes with different priorities. All the way from parent child relationships to neighbors to country level and even global level. Skin color, wealth, relatives, philosophies, habits, and infinitely more characteristics are used to determine who will and will not benefit you or not benefit you and it can change with e…
> it is also quite similar to classifying someone based on their accent, which side of town they grew up in, or what university they attended, because they all end up being a function of who one’s ancestors are
This is fair. The salient difference for me emerges in immigration. The fact that someone can look at an Indian American speaking American English, dressed in Western garb and educated in America and determine something about their parents' caste puts caste closer to race than e.g. wealth, religion or sexual orientation.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a very good one. Western philosophies and religions can definitely show this type of bias. Some branches of protestantism do believe in predestination. It's also common to see (bad) Christian takes that suffering is a challenge from god (often backed by Job's trials) and thus a thing that may not need changing. I believe Max Weber also covered this concept sociologically in The Protestant Ethic and the Spiri…
Isn't the idea that all suffering is a challenge of god key to Abrahamic religions. I always hear it from anyone religious when discussing that rational of why there is suffering the world when God can end it. And from my quick read of Job's story, it seems that it does exemplify that.
While the loving Father metes out punishment as a correction to his wayward children, the Son has authority on earth to forgive sins, and has given very specific instructions to those who would be his followers:
> If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven
> He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Whereas per the great Eastern religions, the material world is Maya, all is the Self (tat tvam asi), righteous action is its own reward, and the Abrahamic concepts (despite many overlaps) seem rather peculiar.
Or to quote Sadhguru:
If you take in too much input from everywhere, the karmic process becomes very complicated. And the strategy evolved for your karma will not work if you keep mixing it up with someone else’s all the time. Why some who are in serious sadhana withdraw into a solitary cave or the like is because they do not want to complicate things. They understood the complexity of their own karma and do not want to complicate it anymore.
That is why you do not step over anyone. You can go around them. It is also a mark of respect. And apart from that, it would disturb that person if you step over them. If you disturb their energy body, they may not immediately wake up, but internally, it disturbs them.
All this comes from a fundamental understanding about life. No matter what you were doing – you were running a business, you were married, bearing and raising children, fighting a battle – for anyone who was born in this land, there was only one goal – ultimate liberation. Mukti was the only goal. The whole culture was structured around this. Many strategies were evolved so that you do not trip over someone else’s karma. You do not want to acquire anything new because you know the complexity of what you already have. If you undo your own puzzle, it is good enough. You do not want to complicate it.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that is my point. Everyone is constantly evaluating everyone else and placing them in different tribes with different priorities. All the way from parent child relationships to neighbors to country level and even global level. Skin color, wealth, relatives, philosophies, habits, and infinitely more characteristics are used to determine who will and will not benefit you or not benefit you and it can change with e…
> it is also quite similar to classifying someone based on their accent, which side of town they grew up in, or what university they attended, because they all end up being a function of who one’s ancestors are This is fair. The salient difference for me emerges in immigration. The fact that someone can look at an Indian American speaking American English, dressed in Western garb and educated in America and determine…
I find "race" is not very useful as a concept once you start getting into the weeds.
When I try to get to the root cause of why people want to categorize others, I often find it is about utility. Surely, it can be evil too such as someone wanting to punish others or getting a feeling of superiority from viewing others as being below. But it can also be about going with who you think will have your back when the situation gets hairy (which can include covering up your misdeeds), or simply someone who will help you.
In that sense, an Indian American speaking American English, dressed in Western garb and educated in America who is likelier to have many cousins and family who are engineers/doctors/lawyers/business owners could be more useful than a visually identical Indian American who is not as likely to have that family background.
The compounding effects of networking really hamper efforts to increase equality of opportunity.
Re: Google’s caste-bias problem
#229I am reposting PaulHoule's (flagged) comment because it was a very good one: > *I have wondered if the high Asian population is one reason why San Francisco has such conspicuous homelessness. Western religion has some egalitarian ideas such as “The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” > On the other hand if you think a person…
It's not a very good one. Western philosophies and religions can definitely show this type of bias. Some branches of protestantism do believe in predestination. It's also common to see (bad) Christian takes that suffering is a challenge from god (often backed by Job's trials) and thus a thing that may not need changing. I believe Max Weber also covered this concept sociologically in The Protestant Ethic and the Spiri…
Two intellectuals, three opinions. Jesus was impeccably clear in his orders. Even (or, especially) the communists, who deny Him, understood Him.
"perpetuate people's misery" may have been sloppy & incendiary editorial work, but the theological structure of PaulHoule's argument is sound.
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It’s done through seemingly simple questions. Usually dealing with what city they are from, what city are your parents from, are you vegetarian, are you having dessert? I've never experienced or seen the thread searching. Larger person grabs your shoulder to see if the thread is there. But that wouldn't surprise me at all.
Thats bs.. none of those questions tells you anything caste related
From my name and city origin you can determine my family's caste.