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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Because macOS. It's not a container, it's a full on VM.

I run Docker on M1. Definitely idling. It must be one of the containers. Try running Docker stats to find out which.

unfortunately it does it even if I kill all the containers. It's a well known issue and they have been circling around with attempted fixes, regressions etc for a long time [1]

[1] https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/6166

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Also note that Cinebench R23 is a terrible general purpose CPU benchmark. It uses Intel Embree engine which is hand optimized for x86. It heavily favors CPUs with many slow cores even though most people will benefit from CPUs with fewer, faster cores. Cinebench is a great benchmark if you use Cinema4D, which I asumme 99.99% of the people buying these laptops won't use. Cinema4D is a niche of a niche. Geekbench is far…

> Geekbench is far more representative of what kind of performance you can expect from a CPU. Geekbench is an even worse benchmark than cinebench. It's extremely heavily influenced by the underlying OS rather than the hardware being compared. Cinebench 1T and mT at least actually benchmark the hardware.

Benchmark the hardware doing 3D rendering. Which is a pretty niche use case for most people that doesn’t correlate well with more common cpu-intensive tasks like gaming or video editing.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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My company has some McAfee and Palo Alto stuff and the cyvera cloud backup software which scans every file every 4 hours but then triggers the other software because of access attempts. Some of these are suites so its 3-4 diferent things (firewall, dlp, antivirus, ...)

> Palo Alto stuff Fuck this company, one of my wife’s jobs is BYOD but requires GlobalProtect for their VPN. After the software has been running for a few hours, even disconnected, it just starts chewing CPU cycles and grinds her M1 MacBook to a halt. The only way to terminate it is via `defaults write` command in the terminal. It’s basically malware.

Sometimes you can work around it and just use the native VPN or TunnelBlick. Did this at a previous corporate gig where the software they used wasn't even available for macs. Gotta be lucky though. By this I mean that usually VPN software just has a default config for some VPN protocol, and if you can find out what that is, you might be able to input the same config and credentials into the TunnelBlick or network settings

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Also note that Cinebench R23 is a terrible general purpose CPU benchmark. It uses Intel Embree engine which is hand optimized for x86. It heavily favors CPUs with many slow cores even though most people will benefit from CPUs with fewer, faster cores. Cinebench is a great benchmark if you use Cinema4D, which I asumme 99.99% of the people buying these laptops won't use. Cinema4D is a niche of a niche. Geekbench is far…

> Geekbench is far more representative of what kind of performance you can expect from a CPU. Geekbench is an even worse benchmark than cinebench. It's extremely heavily influenced by the underlying OS rather than the hardware being compared. Cinebench 1T and mT at least actually benchmark the hardware.

> It's extremely heavily influenced by the underlying OS rather than the hardware being compared.

How so?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

Its really interesting with Intel on mobile platforms during the P4 era. Their P4 mobile chips were often terrible for temps and power use, but their Centrino/Pentium M platform was excellent despite being based on the PIII. The P4's architecture became a dead end, while the Pentium M's essentially continued to be improved, scaled up, and became the Core series. If they had tried to force the P4 mobiles instead of re…

My first laptop had one of those P4-based CPUs. They were super terrible chips. I don't think they were really even mobile chips. I think my battery was good for about 25-30 minutes tops. And Dell put in a soft cap of 768MB of memory. I was pretty pissed that none of this was ever noted when I bought the laptop.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

During the pentium4 era me and my friends all got mac laptops running powerpc. Our laptops could actually go on our laps without burning us and the powerbook versions were fast enough to emulate windows in a VM without feeling slow at all. My battery lasted quite a while for the time.

That is definitely not my experience. I used VirtualPC on a bunch of different PowerPC Macs. It was slow as balls on every single one I tried it on.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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You're not allowed to have hobbies or tinker around? :(

I think it's more of a "people are getting tired of internet DIY projects that require thousands of dollars of tooling and existing materials."

You're in a startup-biased forum. If you don't like it as a hobby, how about thinking how the openness is good for business? Your buddy can start a company making Framework-compatible tablets, or a mini server rack, or Framework-compatible keyboards (ortholinear layout please!), etc.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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> Geekbench is far more representative of what kind of performance you can expect from a CPU. Geekbench is an even worse benchmark than cinebench. It's extremely heavily influenced by the underlying OS rather than the hardware being compared. Cinebench 1T and mT at least actually benchmark the hardware.

Benchmark the hardware doing 3D rendering. Which is a pretty niche use case for most people that doesn’t correlate well with more common cpu-intensive tasks like gaming or video editing.

Video editing is just as niche as 3d rendering. But really neither are actually that niche, see for example https://www.blender.org/news/blender-by-the-numbers-2020/

And to put those blender numbers in comparison https://prodesigntools.com/number-of-creative-cloud-subscrib...

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Are windows laptop users not allowed into coffee shops and MacOS users never have corporate meetings? They're just tools ffs, no need to romanticize or stereotype them.

My local Starbucks checks every laptop. Customers with Windows OS on a laptop are asked to leave. Windows VMs are okay if not fullscreen.

What about ReactOS?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Just in case anyone's interested in making their own though, I've seen a few DIY trackpoint projects over the years (mostly on custom mechs, not laptop keyboards though). Here's a writeup on one: https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/

The problem with many of HP's laptops that have pointing sticks, including the HP Dev One, is that they lack a middle mouse button for scrolling and middle-clicking. All Lenovo TrackPoints have that middle mouse button, which lets you scroll with the TrackPoint when it's held down. HP Dev One keyboard (no middle mouse button): https://media.graphassets.com/TdgqLuYTbeGM2oI8PWsV ThinkPad Carbon X1 keyboard (with middle…

That second link isn't working anymore. Here's another picture of the ThinkPad X1 Carbon keyboard, with three mouse buttons:

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9264/Keyboard2.jpg

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