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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Joeri »

ddorian43 wrote: post #84
wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

Gaming on mac is a bit like guessing wrong in the console wars back in the day: there are far fewer games, and they’re usually late.

But if you aren’t picky about specific games, there’s something from every category that runs on m1.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ncmncm »

anon_123g987 wrote: post #205
tester756 wrote: post #199

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Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

This is from an AnandTech interview with Jim Keller: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-...

The whole interview was deeply inspiring. There is a very great deal to be learned from studying it. Listen carefully, and more than once! The audio is probably better than the text, at least first time through.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Godel_unicode »

adament wrote: post #272
alt227 wrote: post #255

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Youve taken a lot of liberties and assumptions with my post here. I dont do any of those things you mentioned, only enforce a nightly shutdown. Nothing to do with laziness. As other people have often mentioned on HN, in the real world of understaffed underbudget corporate IT you need to do what you can to enforce things which make everybodies life easier.

It does not make everybodys lives easier, it makes your life easier by easing the support burden at the cost of making the lives of those who have to live with those policies (marginally?) harder (or more annoying). It is quite a bold claim that those of us who do not shut down our laptops every night have no reason to do so, and you know better than us that it would come with no additional cost to us to do so. It mi…

This is the part that people get wrong about all the ITIL metrics nonsense; they’re all designed by people who don’t have a background in science or experimentation and they never account for confounding factors. For instance, companies I’ve worked for in the past actually conducted rigorous studies of improving quality of life (as opposed to “fewer tickets==good”). They discovered that the number one cause of lower ticket volumes is Shadow IT! Because of course it is.

If you are disabling things by policy, it should be after a discourse with your users and a serious attempt at training. Being a GPO dictator is an anti-pattern.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by okasaki »

hertzrat wrote: post #310
indemnity wrote: post #164

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I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.

I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era bu…

Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits.

I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by cogman10 »

acdha wrote: post #251
KptMarchewa wrote: post #237

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>Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016 After being ahead of Intel in the Pentium 4 era. The problem back then was marketing and giant amount of (probably illegal now) bundling that was rampant back then.

That last part is important. While Intel had good fab engineers, they also relied on cutthroat business deals requiring exclusivity to get discounts and promotional support and there were constant shenanigans with things like compiler support. AMD had to make a much better product to get manufacturers to consider it, not just being price competitive. It took the P4 train wreck to get the market to shift but Intel had…

And, to be clear, even though P4 was a disaster, Intel was STILL the market leader everywhere. They responded with the Core line only after years of AMD eating their lunch with the Athlon, Athlon 64, and Athlon XP line.

Thunderbird was released in 1999 and from there to the Core 2 Duo release in 2006, AMD was the performance leader (certainly at a huge discount compared to intel offerings).

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by snek_case »

tester756 wrote: post #199
ant6n wrote: post #174

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Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

Wait, floating-point cache? Does it cache FP operation results? Where can I read more about this?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by [deleted] »

paulmd wrote: post #338
rowanG077 wrote: post #316

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This is not true. AMD CPUs do not include NVME controllers for example. There probably are more things AMD does not do on the CPU itself.

[citation needed] Cezanne SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ix6FrojFD7anKypadF2vKM.jpg Rembrandt SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8wnuFCokmeHjESuSbzYWMJ.jpg Even on the desktop processors, there are onboard lanes dedicated to the NVMe itself, and the entire processor (including NVMe) is capable of booting without a supporting chipset at all - the "X300 chipset" is actually not a chipset a…

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ben-schaaf »

brokenmachine wrote: post #99
bwhitty wrote: post #38

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6800U is awesome from what I’ve seen — better efficiency by far, and legit integrated graphics better than Xe — but it is vanishingly rare, even months after announcement. The scale Intel has in manufacturing mobile CPUs is still unmatched.

>6800U is awesome from what I’ve seen — better efficiency by far The 6800U is only a 5% efficiency increase over 5800U, I agree that the GPU is _much_ better though. https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-6800U-Efficiency-R...

That article actually shows %5 worse efficiency over a 5600U in a heavy single threaded workload. It's a bit apples to oranges and there's a lot more to efficiency on a laptop than heavy single core workloads.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ncmncm »

ant6n wrote: post #174
pedrocr wrote: post #123

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

Intel is in an even better position now than last month, being handed $billions ($tens of billions?) of US tax dollars to fund building new fabs, which they would have had to build anyway. That will free up money to use in undercutting chip pricing, helping to bury AMD again.

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Post by raarts »

sudosysgen wrote: post #289
voltagex_ wrote: post #197

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Why is Docker's VM not idling?

Because macOS. It's not a container, it's a full on VM.

I run Docker on M1. Definitely idling. It must be one of the containers. Try running Docker stats to find out which.
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