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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#302I'm not sure why the Framework laptop is getting so much credit for being upgradable - the main board upgrade ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mog6T9Rd93I ) seems to be an identical process as my Dell Precision 5530.
legit question, does Dell offer a drop-in generational upgrade for your machine? I think the main appeals are:
1) its simple to repair or upgrade. If Dell's design is also simple to work on then that's great!
2) A culture of providing replacement and upgrade parts affordably to the end user. In addition to the I/O modules and replacement parts, so far framework has the upgradeable mainboard, an upgraded top cover with more rigidity, and an improved hinge kit.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.
I assume the M1/M2 performance versions are much more expensive (very large L1/L2 caches, see Ryzen vs Ryzen X3D performance, and that only increases cheap L3 cache) than AMD processors. Apple can afford this I assume with high end laptop and their margins from owning the supply chain. Apple has the benefit of not telling and you can't buy an M1 (?). I would be interested about production costs of Ryzen vs. M1/M2 pro…
Also because I assume ARM needs less transistors compared to x86 so they can use more die area for caches.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#304I’m rather disappointed in 12th Gen for mobile. I have a AMD 5800h Lenovo laptop and a 12700 Dell. The dell stutters, fans spin, etc. the Lenovo is just rock solid and fast. Never stutters or slows down. Fans spin up only when playing games. I wish framework would do an AMD laptop. But Linus put them in touch with AMD and they done nothing.
It can depend more on the graphics card(s) and the chassis type than the CPU. For example if the Lenovo is a P15 and you’re comparing it to a Dell Latitude, then yeah duh.
I hate my P15v. Fans are always on doing the lightest of tasks and the battery won't last more than 2-3 hours. I dream of low power x86.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...
>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces s…
I don't care about boot times but I do care about keeping state.
In addition to the obvious browser I typically have an IDE, a few terminal windows, email, a few communication clients (due to internal and customer choices, not mine), and usually one or two database clients open at most times. Some of those restore their state nicely while others don't. Some of the terminal windows have e.g. a particular set of terminals at certain directories because I need to keep track of and work on multiple source repos at the same time.
Starting all of those from scratch every day would indeed be a chore. Perhaps more importantly, having my desktop be the way I left it also automatically reminds me what I was doing and helps continue from where I was.
A fresh desktop every morning would be a misfeature for me and would annoy and frustrate me immensely if forced on me.
I do of course reboot now and then for system updates etc., and I don't mind that.
There might be a decent rationale for forcing a reboot or disabling sleep on non-tech office devices if the staff are technically unskilled, but this is HN, so it's not much of a surprise if people aren't keen.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U and P series parts are actually the same dies on 12th Gen, but binned. If you set the Power Mode to Best Power Efficiency on Windows or the equivalent power limiting in Linux, you can make a P behave pretty similarly to what a U would (with the Intel DTT settings we used).
Isn't it the H and P series that use the same die, while the U series is a much smaller die (2 instead of 6 P cores)?
You are correct, I misremembered this. The packages are pin compatible, but there are different 2+8 and 6+8 dies this generation. It was 11th Gen where the 15W and 28W were the same die.
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#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.
Our macs get admin. I sudo turn off the garbage and I haven’t been caught yet.
I have admin on my work Mac, but I'm not sure how to turn off the garbage. It's pretty annoying and definitely cuts down on my battery life significantly. Between that and Teams being a battery hog I might only get three hours out of what should be a whole-day machine.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#308I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.
I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers. I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops. https://psref.lenovo…
The 6800U models on the market just show that the integration by the OEM is far more important than the choice of CPU. The Asus Zenbook S 13 manages to hit 60° on its bottom case under sustained load, which is an impractical temperature. The Lenovo Yoga 9i which on paper uses a hotter Intel CPU runs cooler, quieter, and longer while also beating the Zenbook on benchmarks. So you really have to look at the entire package.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers. I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops. https://psref.lenovo…
Exactly. Not just 1 model but you can compare identical ThinkPad models as well and AMD versions have significantly better battery life. Not only that, even last year's identical models with 11th Gen Intel CPUs have better battery life than their new 12th Gen models. So Intel's power efficiency actually decreased compared to last year, even though they introduced the hybrid architecture. In some instances Alder Lake…
AMD 6800u also has insane graphics compared to the Intel. You can actually play triple A games at acceptable framerates.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper,…
I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.
I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord.
I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era but they still aren’t good