Is it far to compare 11th Gen U-series to 12th Gen P-series? Performance is higher, but this comes at the expensive of much higher power draw. I think 11th Gen U-series vs 12th Gen U-series is a more interesting comparison.
How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Within a year the kernel should support proper Power management on these new AMD systems. I have a year old 5800H that went from 3 hours to 11 hours battery life in typical use, just due to kernel version updates. It's like a new system.
It is such a shame that certain major distros don't ship latest kernels. I understand also shipping LTS kernels for customers/users that want the stability, but the default for desktops and install media should be a really recent kernel.
I think it’s pretty common to install the HWE kernel on Ubuntu.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Do you think the very broad loose culture of macOS users (developers/creatives - coffee shops, nomadic etc) vs Windows (most corporate stuff - workstations, meetings etc) could be some factor in how they are optimised?
Are windows laptop users not allowed into coffee shops and MacOS users never have corporate meetings? They're just tools ffs, no need to romanticize or stereotype them.
My local Starbucks checks every laptop. Customers with Windows OS on a laptop are asked to leave. Windows VMs are okay if not fullscreen.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era bu…
Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits. I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.
I’d rather have a portable device that doesn’t need a separate keyboard
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...
>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces s…
> When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should.
Why should I? Not long ago, my laptop had uptime of over half a year.
[Edit: Oh, "windows domain networks"? I guess perhaps that explains your propensity for rebooting?]
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Intel is in an even better position now than last month, being handed $billions ($tens of billions?) of US tax dollars to fund building new fabs, which they would have had to build anyway. That will free up money to use in undercutting chip pricing, helping to bury AMD again.
Intel should realize at this point that their existential threat comes from TSMC, not AMD. AMD is one competitor, but TSMC is giving a huge boost to all of their competitors, particularly the ARM vendors who won’t just take some x86 market share but potentially destroy the entire x86 market at some point in the future.
Can't happen too soon for me.
Intel can build ARMs and RISC-Vs as well as anybody. Harder will be adapting their salespeople to non-monopoly conditions.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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[citation needed] Cezanne SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ix6FrojFD7anKypadF2vKM.jpg Rembrandt SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8wnuFCokmeHjESuSbzYWMJ.jpg Even on the desktop processors, there are onboard lanes dedicated to the NVMe itself, and the entire processor (including NVMe) is capable of booting without a supporting chipset at all - the "X300 chipset" is actually not a chipset a…
AMD processors provide PCIe lanes, some of which are intended for use with NVMe SSDs but nothing on the chip actually implements or understands NVMe and the lanes used for the SSD in a typical system design are still fully generic PCIe lanes.
> nothing on the chip actually implements or understands NVMe
pretty sure that's false as well... can an X300 system boot a NVMe drive? I'd assume yes. It does that with a UEFI which lives... where? Oh right, on the chip.
Most NVMe SSDs don't provide legacy option roms anymore either.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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[citation needed] Cezanne SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ix6FrojFD7anKypadF2vKM.jpg Rembrandt SOC topology: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8wnuFCokmeHjESuSbzYWMJ.jpg Even on the desktop processors, there are onboard lanes dedicated to the NVMe itself, and the entire processor (including NVMe) is capable of booting without a supporting chipset at all - the "X300 chipset" is actually not a chipset a…
I meant the controller that manages the NAND cells, I assumed it would be called NVMe controller. Essentially the IC that the "NVMe controller" in your image talks to.
That would normally be called a "flash controller" and yeah, of course that lives on the SSD.
(unless it doesn't - eMMC doesn't normally have a flash controller and you just do direct writes to the flash cells... as do some IOFusion PCIe cards that are just flash directly attached to PCIe with no controller. Sometimes that functionality is just software-based. Flash cards (eg microSD) usually also do not have a flash controller directly either.)
Anyway, it's true though that Apple does push the flash controller functionality into the SOC while AMD does not, Apple implements their SSD in a non-standard fashion, that's why it's not compatible with off-the-shelf drives. The flash is just flash on a board, I don't even think it's NVMe compatible at all either.
So if you want to be maximally pedantic... neither does Apple implement onboard NVMe controllers, just flash controllers ;)
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…
> AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016 Their top performance was lower than Intel in many cases, but it was certainly not "absolute garbage". For low- to mid-range they offered similar performance with usually a (much) lower price point. For normal "average person" usage they were often the better choice in terms of "bang for your buck". The main reason we were selling Intels is because we got…
Well okay. But they had the same problem Intel is in now: they pushed an inefficient power hungry chip to the limit. So it was cheaper, and performance was only somewhat lower, but it was much hotter and used a lot of power —- so pretty useless for laptops.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.
That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.
> That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life.
Not really. My M1, used for email, browsing, some xterms, some emacs, 3 or 4 video meetings and the Goland IDE, only gets about 5 hours.
When new it was a little longer than that.