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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by nwah1 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #7
specto wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, not even close.

unfortunately? as in no competition to drive progress?

Not too many companies have a market cap over a trillion dollars, and if you don't then you can forget about competing on the upcoming process nodes that will require enormous capital.

Samsung's internal processor division seems to be sucking. Google is trying it half-heartedly like they do with nearly everything. Nvidia and AMD haven't really tried to compete for the desktop ARM market, and Intel certainly hasn't. Qualcomm has rolled their mobile chips for laptops, but they remain mobile chips in a larger form factor. So Apple is in a class of its own for desktop-grade ARM CPUs.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by innocenat »

nwah1 wrote: post #6
nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

I don't doubt those benefits are real, but I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with Intel 12th gen and integrated graphics, and it is actually fantastic. Super thin, lightweight, silent, and low heat, while still boasting 12 extremely fast cores. And it was very affordable. It is very weird for me to buy a laptop where I have almost no complaints... and Samsung did a splendid job with all the fit and finish. I'm…

Gen 12 machine with low heat is an exception rather than the norm sadly. It must be possible, since there are a few machine out there that manage to do it, but most machines right now are quite hot and has low battery life (compared to 11th gen), especially the P-series in thin-and-light form factor (I am writing this comment from Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 10 with 1280P, which can't even match the Cinebench score of the frame.work)

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by nwah1 »

xuki wrote: post #9
nwah1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt those benefits are real, but I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with Intel 12th gen and integrated graphics, and it is actually fantastic. Super thin, lightweight, silent, and low heat, while still boasting 12 extremely fast cores. And it was very affordable. It is very weird for me to buy a laptop where I have almost no complaints... and Samsung did a splendid job with all the fit and finish. I'm…

How is the battery life? M1 laptops can easily last the whole day without plugging for most users.

I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jeffbee »

xuki wrote: post #9
nwah1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt those benefits are real, but I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with Intel 12th gen and integrated graphics, and it is actually fantastic. Super thin, lightweight, silent, and low heat, while still boasting 12 extremely fast cores. And it was very affordable. It is very weird for me to buy a laptop where I have almost no complaints... and Samsung did a splendid job with all the fit and finish. I'm…

How is the battery life? M1 laptops can easily last the whole day without plugging for most users.

The P-series CPU this article is advertising is not the one you want if you are concerned about battery life. The P CPUs consume as much energy as is practical, in their quest to go faster. These CPUs use 28-64W when active, while their slower U-series counterparts use 15-55W. There was a Dell laptop on Notebookcheck yesterday that had a measured 13-hour battery life and a U-series CPU.

ETA: Comparable laptops reviewed by that site get 8hr runtime from a 71Wh battery and the P CPU, or 13 hours from a 60Wh battery and the U CPU.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by MBCook »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #7
specto wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, not even close.

unfortunately? as in no competition to drive progress?

It’s not drive. Just investment. There is no demand for high performance desktop/laptop ARM CPUs outside Apple.

Chromebooks are mostly low price, and may lack the software to truly push the chips often (without dropping into dev mode).

Windows on ARM seems to be a near failure. Very little native software and x86(-64) emulation is far slower than Rosetta. May not matter, they seem to be low cost machines anyway.

Linux just isn’t a big enough consumer market to drive it.

Server seems to be the big front for ARM, but that’s a very different chip. So I’m under the impression ARM laptops (outside Apple) are just phone chips, which don’t compete on the same level.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jxi »

nwah1 wrote: post #13
xuki wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the battery life? M1 laptops can easily last the whole day without plugging for most users.

I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.

That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life.

Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by kcb »

nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers.

I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops.

https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/Lenovo/Lenovo_Slim_...

https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/Lenovo/Lenovo_Slim_...

The AMD version is rated for 20% greater battery life just from the CPU difference.

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