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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by voltagex_ »

secondcoming wrote: post #194
pizza234 wrote: post #117

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> On Linux, the builtin keyboard don't work because of IRQ problems (See [1] The exact problem is that an IRQ/ACPI workaround is not needed anymore on modern Zen platforms, and it (the workaround) now breaks compatibility. It's already in linux master, and will be released for v6.0 Commit message of the fix: commit 9946e39fe8d0a5da9eb947d8e40a7ef204ba016e Author: Chuanhong Guo ACPI: resource: skip IRQ override on AMD…

These ACPI tables are commonly broken. Who creates and tests them?

The vendors, against Windows.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by csomar »

okasaki wrote: post #140
augustl wrote: post #122

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How is 12th gen compared to 10th gen, in your experience? My XPS 13 on a 10th gen i7 just becomes absolute syrup on battery, even if I put it in high performance mode.

I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper,…

I also have the XPS 17 with i7-12700H and 4K screen. I'm able to get 8-10 hours of work (compiling Rust, several docker containers on the run, at least a dozens tabs, etc...).

I'm on ArchLinux with a window manager and no desktop whatsoever. I also disabled the GPU. I wonder if there is something draining your battery on the background.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by xzjis »

nabakin wrote: post #171
SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

> However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. Don't forget 12th gen Intel CPUs have a lot more cores than 11th gen Intel CPUs. That's where the significant benchmark improvements are coming from. Unfortunately though, these often don't reflect the real world use case. Having more cores isn't going to improve the day-to-day performance very much.…

Maybe the new efficiency cores improve battery life over the 11th gen Intel CPUs but they're still far from the battery life of AMD or Apple silicon CPUs

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by brailsafe »

eertami wrote: post #178
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #167

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The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.

Price isn't the thing that keeps most people I know away from Macbooks (after all, it's the employers/business expense). I'm sure many people would like an M1 machine for the efficiency but the software is simply not ideal. If they invested in contributing Linux drivers they'd probably be able to takeover the market for developers. Asahi is slowly improving, but it doesn't feel ready yet to be someone's sole daily ma…

I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by anon_123g987 »

tester756 wrote: post #199
ant6n wrote: post #174

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Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

This is from an AnandTech interview with Jim Keller: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-...

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ipython »

tester756 wrote: post #199
ant6n wrote: post #174

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Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

I don’t know the truth but that was spoken like a true humble leader. If I was forced to draw conclusions just based on that one exchange, I would agree that Jim Keller was an instrumental part of the successful design and implementation of the zen microarchitecture.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

Nursie wrote: post #119
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #100

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Are you running your apps in docker?

Should I? I have docker-desktop for the things I need it for - building the odd linux native image, or running testcontainers for postgres, same as we do when building on linux - and it works great. But for the day to day stuff, no.

I’ve been considering an M2 air with maxed out ram for development and I’ve been wondering what kind of memory pressure people with Airs are facing.

On Intel I needed 32mb for all the containers at work, with a fairly modest CPU, but I expect my own projects to be a bit lighter.

None of the reviews are useful. All useless junk about exporting 8k videos.

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Post by diffeomorphism »

jrockway wrote: post #112
BaseballPhysics wrote: post #34

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Cool, now show me upgrading your M1 to an M2.

Does it matter? I have a Threadripper 3970x and an M1 Macbook Air. For anything that can't use more than 4 cores, the M1 crushes it. The Threadripper also draws over 100W at idle. Whatever AMD and Intel have right now are completely irrelevant, and I say that as one of the biggest haters of OS X there is. I'm not trading in my workstation for a Mac Studio or whatever, though, because I'm guessing AMD's 5nm chips will…

> Does it matter?

You are commenting on a thread discussing just that, so yeah it kinda matters.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by GOATS- »

ddorian43 wrote: post #84
wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

You definitely can with emulators for other platforms, such as AetherSX2 for PS2 and Dolphin for Wii/GC.

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

ddorian43 wrote: post #84
wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

You can't play the latest and greatest (graphics-intensive games at least), but there are many titles that work just fine, and the performance of the x86 translation is surprisingly good. There are even a handful of games with native builds, like World of Warcraft and Disco Elysium.
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