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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ben-schaaf »

nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

Lowering the power of an intel/AMD CPU enough to passively cool it would yield way more performance than currently commercially available arm CPUs. (Obviously excluding CPUs that aren't purchasable like Apple's)

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by hnra »

pdpi wrote: post #41
zionic wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well then you are minority. I want a portable desktop, speed I can bring with me without lugging my 35lb liquid cooler setup with its 4x140mm radiator. I want something compact and sexy but insanely fast when I “dock” it

The success of the thin-and-light segment, and the MacBook Air in particular, suggests that OP is very much in the majority.

Thin-and-light would mean smaller battery and harder to cool though? It seems consumers are just uninformed and instead buying the sleekest option.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by R0b0t1 »

kcb wrote: post #27
stewbrew wrote: post #22

What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?

Restricting TDP is generally an option on laptops if you really wanted to. Not sure if Framework provides any out of the box TDP switching but software like ThrottleStop can do it.

Yeah. I tried locking some of my older CPUs to, say, 700MHz. Still entirely usable unless I started compiling something, say.

Issue is Intel tries to race to halt which demonstrably saves more power on average. The power consumption of your chip probably is some intrinsic quality related to how the package and die are set up.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by postalrat »

pdpi wrote: post #41
zionic wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well then you are minority. I want a portable desktop, speed I can bring with me without lugging my 35lb liquid cooler setup with its 4x140mm radiator. I want something compact and sexy but insanely fast when I “dock” it

The success of the thin-and-light segment, and the MacBook Air in particular, suggests that OP is very much in the majority.

I think a lot of the macbook air's popularity comes from it being the cheapest macbook. Some people want an apple and dont have 2-3k to spend on a laptop.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by necovek »

freedomben wrote: post #47
selectodude wrote: post #36

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Why wait? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/first-risc-v-laptop-...

That's super exciting, but I'm not familiar with Xcalibyte. are they a good and reputable maker?

Is frame.work a good and reputable maker?

Not saying they won't turn out to be, but they are still young considering the space they are in.

Similar holds for any other hw maker that is only starting out!

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by nixgeek »

cokeandpepsi wrote: post #45
BaseballPhysics wrote: post #34

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Cool, now show me upgrading your M1 to an M2.

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I think 18 days ago you might have said something to the the tune of you’d never do business with Apple again. You changed your mind fast. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32188366

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ido »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #61
nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

Lowering the power of an intel/AMD CPU enough to passively cool it would yield way more performance than currently commercially available arm CPUs. (Obviously excluding CPUs that aren't purchasable like Apple's)

Does that include the Apple M1 / M2 lines?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by devwastaken »

nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. Very different from the goals of framework. There aren't any vendors offering M1 competitors either.
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