Cool, now compare it to an M2
How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#22What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#23Cool, now compare it to an M2
Performance wise, quite favorable. Battery and power consumption, not so much.
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#25Surely the real story here is that Framework have released a CPU upgrade for a laptop?
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#26In the first table, in the first row (11th Gen), the professional column is missing the core count. It currently says "(Up to 4.8 GHz, Cores)" and by https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/208664/... it should be "(Up to 4.8 GHz, 4 Cores)".
Thanks for catching that! I’ve forwarded it to the team.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#27What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?
Restricting TDP is generally an option on laptops if you really wanted to. Not sure if Framework provides any out of the box TDP switching but software like ThrottleStop can do it.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#28What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?
The U and P series parts are actually the same dies on 12th Gen, but binned. If you set the Power Mode to Best Power Efficiency on Windows or the equivalent power limiting in Linux, you can make a P behave pretty similarly to what a U would (with the Intel DTT settings we used).
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.
That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.
Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me.
I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#30I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.
I have absolutely no data or information to back this up, but I predict a RISC-V based Framework within the next 5 years. And I'll be one of the first customers to buy one.