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The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by raarts »

noelwelsh wrote: post #18
RappingBoomer wrote: post #2

I think the reason why academia is trying so hard to demonize meat is because they have pushed grains so hard for so many decades and now the truth about grains and blood sugar is coming out...which makes them look bad

There is no "academia" conspiracy. Academia is made of people. Most of those people just go about doing their work, like everyone else in every other job. A few commit fraud, and a few conspire with others with others to commit fraud---just like every other job.

There is no academia conspiracy, but have you seen Dopesick?

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

oarabbus_ wrote: post #12
tomp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are healthy while alive If that's true, it would imply that they don't die of ill health (disease) but of accidents (eaten by lion) or incredibly curable stuff (e.g. bacterial infection). So their lifestyle is definitely something to mimick / learn from, as we can easily prevent the healthy person dying causes of death in the first world.

> as we can easily prevent the healthy person dying causes of death in the first world. Citation needed. Accidental deaths from motor vehicle injuries plus other factors are disturbingly common in the first world.

Doesn't need a citation since other populations do similarly. Unless you insist barbecues are causing mass extinction.

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

oifjsidjf wrote: post #24

>> Mozaffarian discloses in the ATVB paper that he receives funding from Barilla, the world’s largest pasta company—which clearly stands to benefit if meat is sidelined off the dinner plate. (Barilla has invested heavily in nutrition researchers and in promoting the idea that meat as bad for the climate). Follow the money.

Big Pasta are in on the climate change hoax too? You cant trust anyone.

I was going to quote this exact section, as I felt it was one of the few areas where they let their "we just want real science" mask slip and revealed their consistent "pro-meat" stance.

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Fargren wrote: post #11
HidyBush wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

an excessive consuption of refined grains is bad, eating the right amount of whole grains is solely beneficial

That's a vacuous argument. It's true for literally anything. an excessive consumption of water is bad, drinking the right amount of clean water is solely beneficial an excessive consumption of eggs is bad, eating the right amount of eggs is solely beneficial an excessive consumption of toxic sludge is bad, eating the right amount (0) of sludge is solely beneficial The question, of course, is what is the right amount…

> true for literally anything

Pedantic: no. It’s true for everything that is safe or beneficial to consume. There is no “right amount” of lead or plutonium in your diet.

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by erokar »

Macha wrote: post #30
erokar wrote: post #8

It's far from one study that has found a link between red meat and heart disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=meat+heart+disease

It's possible for a paper to concur with the majority (or even objectively correct) consensus and still have issues with it's methodology. Imagine a paper that proved 2+2=4 by surveying preschoolers and going with the majority vote. Correct conclusion, questionable methodology.

For sure. Conflicts of interest are too common in nutrition research, and I think the criticism of this particular paper is laudable.

I simply wanted to point out that there is significant indications from other studies that red meat, and in particular processed red meat, is correlated with heart disease (and cancer).

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by HidyBush »

Fargren wrote: post #11
HidyBush wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

an excessive consuption of refined grains is bad, eating the right amount of whole grains is solely beneficial

That's a vacuous argument. It's true for literally anything. an excessive consumption of water is bad, drinking the right amount of clean water is solely beneficial an excessive consumption of eggs is bad, eating the right amount of eggs is solely beneficial an excessive consumption of toxic sludge is bad, eating the right amount (0) of sludge is solely beneficial The question, of course, is what is the right amount…

This is such a disingenuous reply.

We are not talking about cyanide here or some strange nutrient that you can overdose if you're not careful. A serving of whole grains every day (just read the back of the box if you're unsure what the quantities are) is solely beneficial for you and unless you have a medical condition you simply can't go wrong.

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

xnx wrote: post #37
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #25

Quoted post unavailable.

Sugar is more likely to be the next tobbacco.

The pro-meat lobby has a weird obsession with sugar.

It's like the nuclear fans or anti-recycling groups that keep talking about how bad coal is.

We know. We can eat less sugar and less meat.

But the same places that published climate denial will attack any attempt to eat less meat or less sugar, probably pointing to the other one as the real villain.

Note that a current controversy is about reducing the sugar limit from 10% to 6% to better follow the science.

Which side does this evidence-based nutrition campaigner take? They don't mention it at all? Probably not relevant for their pro-meat interests except as an occasional scapegoat.

Re: The Latest Study on Red Meat and Heart Disease: A Red Herring

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Post by charlieflowers »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #33
oifjsidjf wrote: post #24

>> Mozaffarian discloses in the ATVB paper that he receives funding from Barilla, the world’s largest pasta company—which clearly stands to benefit if meat is sidelined off the dinner plate. (Barilla has invested heavily in nutrition researchers and in promoting the idea that meat as bad for the climate). Follow the money.

Big Pasta are in on the climate change hoax too? You cant trust anyone. I was going to quote this exact section, as I felt it was one of the few areas where they let their "we just want real science" mask slip and revealed their consistent "pro-meat" stance.

> Big Pasta are in on the climate change hoax too? You cant trust anyone

Not just “big”. Those Angel hair bastards are in on it too.

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