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Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by himalayan »

alephnerd wrote: post #48
eatonphil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? To be fair I can't think of any specific sites like that I follow for US law/policy news, just a variety of people on Twitter.

India is a diverse country with diversity within both the federal level and the state level. I have listed a subset of sources I and friends of mine from Indian policy backgrounds (IAS, IPS, MHA, etc) tended to trust. This is not a complete list, and shows my own regional biases. Feel free to AMA me or discuss additional recommendations in this thread. I don't get much of an opportunity to discuss Social Sciences sin…

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Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by dumty37 »

alephnerd wrote: post #48
eatonphil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? To be fair I can't think of any specific sites like that I follow for US law/policy news, just a variety of people on Twitter.

India is a diverse country with diversity within both the federal level and the state level. I have listed a subset of sources I and friends of mine from Indian policy backgrounds (IAS, IPS, MHA, etc) tended to trust. This is not a complete list, and shows my own regional biases. Feel free to AMA me or discuss additional recommendations in this thread. I don't get much of an opportunity to discuss Social Sciences sin…

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Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by woweoe »

simiones wrote: post #50
woweoe wrote: post #43

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Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

To be fair, in many parliamentary systems it is very unusual for any one party to have an absolute majority. In most such systems, the winning party of an election often only wins a plurality of votes, and has to woo other parties to govern - either through a coalition or just a minority government.

India does not have a single party majority either but an alliance majority

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by dumty37 »

anuraj wrote: post #38
kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

Might well have the distinction of withdrawing bills without debate a la Farm bill.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by portpecos »

dustypotato wrote: post #49
anuraj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

Wow. Do you have the source for the numbers? It's very surprising

I also need clarification on what he means by Modi bypassing parliament to pass his own bills. That’s not how a parliamentary system works. Imagine Tony Blair bypassing the House of Lords and the House of Commons to pass his own bill. Or Obama bypassing the Senate and House of Representatives to pass his own bill. It’s a very strange claim to me.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by givemeethekeys »

anuraj wrote: post #38
kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

In a parliamentary democracy, if the elected party in power has a majority, they can do what you're describing.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by blueblisters »

woweoe wrote: post #43
TheArcane wrote: post #41

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A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

A majority in a parliamentary system still allows some room for debate and dissent since MPs are, in principle, representatives of their constituency and not of the party. However, in India, it is illegal for an MP to vote against the party line - that is grounds for their disqualification - due to the anti-defection law. Any debate is pure theatrics at this point and the party leadership is free to pass any law they want.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by yalogin »

On the spectrum of privacy india is on the furthest end of it. No one cares about privacy and actively give their data over to everyone. For example every vendor asks for your phone number and people don’t question it at all.

As great as the privacy law sounds I have a suspicion that it will just be used by police and the government to abuse authority and silence critics like they do with people tweeting anything the government doesn’t like. Hope I am wrong

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by portpecos »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #56
anuraj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

In a parliamentary democracy, if the elected party in power has a majority, they can do what you're describing.

In a presidential democracy, if the Senate and House of Representatives is majority Democrats, then yes, the Democrats can do the same. Obama once had majority in House of Reps and Senate as well.

There is one thing that is different. The Filibuster is very powerful in the US. I’m not so sure the filibuster is a powerful tool in UK’s parliament and India’s Parliament.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by happyopossum »

blueblisters wrote: post #57
woweoe wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

A majority in a parliamentary system still allows some room for debate and dissent since MPs are, in principle, representatives of their constituency and not of the party. However, in India, it is illegal for an MP to vote against the party line - that is grounds for their disqualification - due to the anti-defection law. Any debate is pure theatrics at this point and the party leadership is free to pass any law they…

> in India, it is illegal for an MP to vote against the party line

Inn what way is this a functioning parliamentary system then?

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