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Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by TheArcane » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

anuraj wrote: post #38

kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by woweoe » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 2:44 PM UTC

eatonphil wrote: post #26

felixg3 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Economic Political & Weekly, caravanmagazine.in, restofworld.org

Thanks! I've followed restofworld.org for a year now and it's a really fantastic site, great mission. However their scope is extremely broad: "Everything in developing economies for Americans", basically.

I think caravan might be extremely left wing though.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by woweoe » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 2:47 PM UTC

TheArcane wrote: post #41

anuraj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by rajup » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

woweoe wrote: post #43

TheArcane wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

Unless you support the minority party in which case democracy is definitely not working and/or the voters for the majority party are deluded ;)

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by venkat223 » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 3:01 PM UTC

kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

They plan to bring very stringent bill to takeaway alldemocracy and freedom from the net.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by ngcc_hk » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 3:03 PM UTC

woweoe wrote: post #43

TheArcane wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

Majority rule and minority rights are democracy. Otherwise once vote in everyone is save … might as well no democracy.

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by tw600040 » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 3:49 PM UTC

TheArcane wrote: post #41

anuraj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

So, when majority of the people support one political party that's called eroding democracy?

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by alephnerd » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 3:56 PM UTC

eatonphil wrote: post #21

kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? To be fair I can't think of any specific sites like that I follow for US law/policy news, just a variety of people on Twitter.

India is a diverse country with diversity within both the federal level and the state level. I have listed a subset of sources I and friends of mine from Indian policy backgrounds (IAS, IPS, MHA, etc) tended to trust. This is not a complete list, and shows my own regional biases.

Feel free to AMA me or discuss additional recommendations in this thread. I don't get much of an opportunity to discuss Social Sciences since I switched careers to the Tech world.

edit:

I will not dignify any flame-bait conversations. I will chat with people from any political camp, but only if they chat in a non-combative manner.

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General Journalism:

Most newspapers and news media channels in India are owned by Oligarchs supporting one party or the other.

The only Indian newspaper I've personally trusted is The Tribune (https://www.tribuneindia.com/) due to it's being owned by a non-profit foundation with a perpetual endowment created by a banking magnate back in the late 19th century.

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Long Form Journalism:

The Caravan - https://caravanmagazine.in/

Has a bit of a center-left and progressive leaning, but pretty well investigated and written articles.

The Print - https://theprint.in/

Has a bit of a center-right leaning, but strong informed articles on Indian Defence Policy and Developmental News (I think they have some ex-MoD and IAS beats).

The Wire - https://thewire.in/

Has a center-left leaning, but a good source for articles on the negative ground realities that exist in various different regions of South Asia. Also surprisingly strong at Indian Foreign Policy (I think they have some ex-MEA beats)

Himal Magazine - https://www.himalmag.com/

Has a center-left and progressive leaning, but a strong source on the anthropological and sociological aspects of South Asian studies.

Swarajya - https://swarajyamag.com/

Has a center-right to far right leaning, but a strong source to understand BJP and Hinduvta politics from their perspective.

Outlook India - https://www.outlookindia.com/

Good long form journalism and analysis. Haven't noticed much bias one way or the other as they tend to publish ideologues from all spectrums of Indian politics.

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Public Policy Think Tanks and Journals:

Observer Research Foundation - https://www.orfonline.org/

Amazing articles and papers on South Asian Foreign Policy and Developmental Economics. Centrist/Institutionalist bias as it is staffed by ex-IAS and policymaker types

Carnegie India Foundation - https://carnegieindia.org/

Similar as ORF, but with a stronger bias towards IR.

Economic and Political Weekly - https://www.epw.in/

One of the premier Indian Social Sciences journals. Very strong articles on South Asian social sciences in general.

Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy - https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/

Amazing organization working on legal policy analysis in India. Very easy to read for those who are not from a legal background

Centre de Sciences Humaines Delhi - https://www.csh-delhi.com/

Strong research on developmental economics and regional socio-political dynamics in South Asia.

The Diplomat - https://thediplomat.com/

Probably the best foreign policy magazine in the APAC region. Well researched and a diverse amount of voices from all sides of the political spectrum

Lowy Institute - https://www.lowyinstitute.org/

Probably the best APAC foreign policy think tank. It's essentially Brookings Level

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by dustypotato » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 3:56 PM UTC

anuraj wrote: post #38

kobiguru wrote: post #15

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework th…

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

Wow. Do you have the source for the numbers? It's very surprising

Re: Indian government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill

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Post by simiones » Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 4:08 PM UTC

woweoe wrote: post #43

TheArcane wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.

Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things

To be fair, in many parliamentary systems it is very unusual for any one party to have an absolute majority. In most such systems, the winning party of an election often only wins a plurality of votes, and has to woo other parties to govern - either through a coalition or just a minority government.