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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Doxin »

solumunus wrote: post #238
DoughnutHole wrote: post #20

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Well the problem with ADHD is the same problem of pretty much all psychological disorders - diagnosis is only ever really fuzzily falsifiable. You get diagnosed with it if you tick enough of the boxes of behaviours/dysfunctions associated with it - you can fall short of a diagnosis by one behaviour and still be in a very similar condition to a diagnosed person, or tick enough boxes but fall short based on the diagnos…

> The interesting thing is that despite the condition being composed of a wide gamut of seemingly unrelated behaviour, ~90% of people with ADHD respond extremely well to the same treatment - stimulant medication. This is constantly presented as some sort of ultimate validation of these disorders and every time I read it I'm absolutely baffled. Stimulants used in ADHD medication improve focus and productivity for almo…

There's clearly something weird going on re: ADHD+stimulants though. Most people don't calm down if you give them stimulants.

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Post by Volundr »

Banana699 wrote: post #639
Volundr wrote: post #601

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Your right. Obviously we can't be sure birds are real, because some people say (without evidence) bird's aren't real and how can we say we have a better grasp of objective reality than them? Obviously, based on their absurd and evidence-less claims, we should forever question if birds are actually flying creatures and not government drones, regardless of our own experiences with birds and information provided by peop…

The comparison to birds is bizarre because they are a public phenomena that anyone can see and study, gender transitions aren't. >our own experiences with birds Which is none in the case of gender transitions, or very little for some people. But certainly nowhere near the experience of an average person with birds. >information provided by people who study birds for a living Which is not reliable in the case of gende…

> I consider this pretty solid evidence for the original claim.

Which is odd, because neither the physiologist nor the activists decided anyone was trans for "just playing with Barbies".

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Post by OOD »

bitwize wrote: post #158
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

Try reading up on plural systems before you make such judgements. And don't hang around /r/SystemsCringe; it's a hate sub. Otherkin is not a fad, and it's not confined to Tumblr; it's been around for decades, all over the net and real-life society. There's considerable overlap between otherkin and furry; otherkin is basically furry for fictional species. Anyway, furry/otherkin and plural people read and post here to…

>Try reading up on plural systems before you make such judgements

Unfortunately we have.

>And don't hang around /r/SystemsCringe; it's a hate sub.

Stop. Stop right there. Laughing at the deranged lunacy of this stupid subculture is NOT HATE. Stop diluting the word "hate" to mean "any slight that goes against my narrative or the narratives of those I ally with." There are real hate groups out there spreading their filth and getting people killed. By diluting the seriousness of hatred, you're inadvertently giving them power. STOP. IT.

>Otherkin is not a fad

Yes it is. It's a fad like emo and goth, with tons of overlap.

>and it's not confined to Tumblr

Unfortunately.

> been around for decades, all over the net and real-life society.

So has emo and goth at this rate. You're proving my point.

>There's considerable overlap between otherkin and furry; otherkin is basically furry for fictional species.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SystemsCringe/comments/ov4bsc/this/

>Anyway, furry/otherkin and plural people read and post here to Hackernews all the time

Chronically online people are online. Shocked I tell you!

>often as experts in their professional field. One of the most consistent producers of...

And often experts in our field are like me: tired of the attention seeking shenanigans like the "system" losers that we have to deal with and manage day to day. Every day chronically online socially awkward people will find some community of invented nonsense to differentiate themselves and play the victim. Nothing like a persecution fetish mixed with fantasy.

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Post by caeril »

lbrito wrote: post #630
faeriechangling wrote: post #139

I've done a lot of thinking about this issue, and there's two topics I notice. First, disability has become a status symbol in certain circles. Second, the huge rise in self-diagnosed disability. On the latter point, these kids are acting out these disabilities with such sincerity and 24/7 consistency that they effectively are disabled for all practical purposes, it's just that the diagnosis might be different than t…

>self diagnosed I was listening to a cbc program about autism on adults the other day. One person being interviewed stated she "identified as autistic". She had done some online test that said she had 70 out of 100 autism traits or something. I was incredulous. Are these people for real?

Let's be honest, here. Psychologists use preponderance of evidence based on both visible and self-reported traits to form diagnoses also.

Psychology is not engineering. They're not diagnosing based on log files or material stress reports. They're using precisely the same criteria and weighting as these silly online tests do.

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Post by stephenhuey »

jnovek wrote: post #584
stephenhuey wrote: post #515

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Crying when sad has been helpful for a very long time. I’m not saying therapy is never helpful, but as a parent I’m also annoyed by the medical folks in wincy’s story for pushing pills when they faced a tougher situation than any I have ever experienced and crying was certainly a very normal response. And venting to friends and receiving hugs probably helped even though the expected ache might remain while the baby w…

Are you an able bodied person? Because when someone says people in America take “too many pills” it sounds like a very able bodied mindset. I take 8 daily prescription medications to cope with chronic pain and chronic mental health issues. Removing any of them would diminish my quality of life in some way. How are compassionate friends going to help me manage depression which is endemic to my brain and has no cause i…

Trust me, I'm not saying I've walked any miles in your shoes. I have relatives who have been disabled. I also have relatives who have taken many pills, and I have no doubt that many are necessary. As an American who grew up partly abroad, I have a desire to see increased relational commitment and support and believe that for many people, so many pills would not be necessary. I don't know you, I mean you no offense, and I don't believe I'm talking about someone in your situation. Based on news reports for the past several years, it's no secret that there are too many pills in the USA that are often being given to people who probably don't need them, and instead need something else. Medicate first and actually deal with it later (or never deal with the underlying problem) is not always the best course of action for many people.

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Post by anotherman554 »

faeriechangling wrote: post #634
anotherman554 wrote: post #560

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There might be a difference between medicine as written and medicine as practiced. Suppose a psychiatrist talks to a patient and confirms they have every symptom. Clearly a textbook case, except the patient says "I was symptom free in childhood." Does the psychiatrist conclude the patient doesn't meet the criteria, or does the psychiatrist conclude the patient wasn't self aware enough in childhood to know if they exh…

Well no, the psychiatrist has options here, they could try to interview the parents or the teacher of the child and ask them what they remember. It's always helpful if a psychiatrist goes through the trouble of making a stronger case than "They must just not remember how autistic they were as a kid, so therefore, they had autism symptoms as a child". They're making a diagnosis with legal weight, a diagnosis that enti…

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were talking about above. I thought you were talking about a diagnosis for treatment purposes, if you were talking about a formal diagnosis for government assistance, that's a different conversation.

A diagnosis for treatment purposes does not entitle you to government assistance. People are only entitled to government assistance if they meet a "legal" standard about the severity of the illness.

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Post by newsclues »

deepdriver wrote: post #617
newsclues wrote: post #486

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The social transmission is obvious in clusters to youth becoming trans. It’s willful blindness

I've spoken to a mother whose school-aged daughters' circle of friends, five biological girls, all identify somewhere between trans and nonbinary. The teachers encourage and reward it. So do most of the parents. Among these girls it's uncool to accept the body and sex you were born with. I've read stories of similar clusters in other deep-blue cities and school districts. I believe we're seeing a massive Clever Hans…

It’s child abuse.

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Post by throwaway743 »

jquery wrote: post #344
naravara wrote: post #302

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> Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. Not medically speaking, anyway. Medically defining what an "illness" is can get into a lot of squirrely philosophical questions that aren't really scientifically or objectively answerable. We basically just define a mental illness as something that significantly impairs your ability to function happily in life. If society, in general, is intolerant and hostile to you due to that o…

ADHD I have some experience with and can agree with you. I think it is mostly just a different mode of thinking that simply isn’t very compatible with sitting in a chair for hours listening to boring lectures. OCD is similar. The mental line between crippling OCD and a highly successful professional career with a reputation of being a “perfectionist” is a thin one. I’ve seen this line crossed, with tragic results… Al…

As someone with ADHD, I couldn't disagree more if it's being suggested that ADHD is merely an issue of "not being compatible with sitting in a chair for hours". That's totally not the case and an awful misrepresentation that supports the stigma and encourages those seeking attention for a mental health label they can flaunt.

Sure, there are those that use that as a reason for why they think they have ADHD or an excuse for drug seeking, but it's not the sole symptom, and in some cases not a symptom, for those who legitimately struggle with it. Those who have it, know how crippling it is dealing with the rumination, confusion, irritability, insecurity, regulating emotion, depression that can and often does result from these aspects, among a list of other issues. Not everyone deals with every aspect as it's more of a spectrum than anything, but personally I deal with the ones listed among other things and daily life's been far from an issue of "not being able to sit in a seat/getting bored easily".

Please don't minimize it to a frivolous cliche.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by dqpb »

dang wrote: post #649
dqpb wrote: post #176

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No religious flamewar please. This thread was hellish enough already. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32306035 .

I was replying this:

> It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible.

How is this not relevant?

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