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Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Human rights are not Western, they are universal. Don't eat the propaganda so willingly.

The notion that folks in NYC have figured out some “universal” truth that folks in Japan haven’t is the propaganda.

Nothing says "I'm a westerner" more than speaking about "Asia".

Never been to NYC btw.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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The notion that folks in NYC have figured out some “universal” truth that folks in Japan haven’t is the propaganda.

Nothing says "I'm a westerner" more than speaking about "Asia". Never been to NYC btw.

I’m Bangladeshi (but born in Thailand and raised in the US) so I’m not unfamiliar with the general contours of “Asian” cultures. While south Asians, East Asians, and Southeast Asians, in particular are vastly different culturally (as well as massive cultural differences within each of those groups), it’s fair to characterize Asian cultures as placing far less emphasis on individual “freedom” than western ones.

Until 2019 Tokyo schools required all students to have black hair—including dyeing hair for students who don’t have black hair naturally. In America people would consider that a violation of “universal human rights.” Bangladeshis aren’t quite so conformist, but my parents would flip out if I did anything to my appearance that would stand out in public.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I'm not sure if this is one the parent was thinking of - but there's generally a huge culture of "don't inconvenience others." This can have a lot of knock on effects, like leaving early (really, leaving before others) from work is inconveniencing your peers and your boss. Also, "filial duty" is pretty strong across a number of Asian cultures. i.e. you should be thinking of your family (parents, grandparents) before…

> This can have a lot of knock on effects, like leaving early (really, leaving before others) from work is inconveniencing your peers and your boss. Does this go the other way too? Is the boss staying late (with the expectation that others do so as well) considered rude because it inconveniences his workers? Because if not, this has nothing to do with being polite and everything to do with power and deference to powe…

To the best of my understanding, bosses do generally stick around as well. I believe their leaving signals that it's OK to depart.

That doesn't dismiss the concerns about deference to power though.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Not in practice. The brand-new death house was mothballed (which really means locked closed) on orders of the governor. There's been some talk over vacating death sentences, but courts are really reticent to do that while the penalty remains on the books, even if it's not enforced. If the state rescinded Newsom's moratorium, there's still a court-ordered moratorium that would remain in effect (once again proving that…

Strikes me as something that could change quickly with a change of government though...either way, I don't think I could ever be OK with the idea that it's legal for a government to execute its own citizens.

Note that the public in California favors keeping it on the books — rather interesting for a pretty left-leaning state that hasn't executed anyone for years.

From a utilitarian perspective, I think it's a waste of resources. We know how to deal with absolute incorrigibles without killing them: put them in a dungeon and minimize human contact. This is what we did with Tom Silverstein and he never killed another staff member or prisoner after that. Expensive, but probably cheaper than trying to execute him. And while he put on a good show for the cameras and appeared stoic, I'd have to think his lot in life served as a deterrent to at least some others with nothing to lose who contemplate violence against staff or other prisoners.

Of course, then you've got monsters like Jaime Osuna. There's no deterring that beast, just managing it.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I find this to be some of the most racist shit I've ever read. Gees I can't believe the comments here. Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world. When I've brought up how much I like Singapore someone always retorts "Oh, that place where you get arrested for walking down the sidewalk and chewing gum" to which I also respond "Well, I could be in the USA where I get walk down the sidewalk and get mugged" Si…

Many good points, but I'd like to nitpick a bit: > Singapore has way better clubs than SF or LA. If you want to party hard until late at night it's got plenty of options. Vs SF/LA where there's a 2am curfew your options effectively end at 1:30am. > Try getting food in LA/SF after 11. Your options becoming Dennys and that's about it. In LA, go to K-Town (Korea Town). Many good restaurants, lounges, and karaoke places…

my experience in k-town is going to BCD-Tofu at 2am and them having the door locked. You knock, they look outside to see if they feel you are safe to let in. Sorry but I don't want to live in a place where businesses have to take such precautions

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I find this to be some of the most racist shit I've ever read. Gees I can't believe the comments here. Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world. When I've brought up how much I like Singapore someone always retorts "Oh, that place where you get arrested for walking down the sidewalk and chewing gum" to which I also respond "Well, I could be in the USA where I get walk down the sidewalk and get mugged" Si…

we don't consider a place with a 70 year old national identity to be a distinct race, you might be able to trip up some Americans on that, but not all of us are that gullible and then the rest of this tiny city state comparison to two municipalities within one state in the US? (Also there are plenty of raves in LA that go till dawn, as well as strip clubs, card rooms and so on. If you want nightlife its there.) and t…

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Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Ive heard Singapore cited as the one instance where multi-culturalism actually works. The catch being that you need a police state to enforce the norms on everyone. And you enforce it equally.

I think it's a bit unfair on Singapore to call it a police state. In several visits I'm not sure I've even seen the police. I find them much scarier in the US. I remember being in the Singapore area when the George Floyd / BLM stuff happened and thinking the US looked pretty third world in comparison.

The US is “third world” in comparison.

Now you have to ask why that is, right? My guess would be the law & order mentality of the state.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Ive heard Singapore cited as the one instance where multi-culturalism actually works. The catch being that you need a police state to enforce the norms on everyone. And you enforce it equally.

I wouldn't call that "working" multi-culturalism. Equally enforced norms amount to a monoculture, a new culture spackled over the peoples' former culture. It'll inconvenience different groups and individuals unequally, and over time it will stamp out their unique identities because in practice, everything you think and believe and then actually follow comes from the governmental authority.

Well yeah, if it is your culture to spit on the ground and be a menace to society, then your culture will be erased.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Not feeling obliged to raise own kids - as opposed to just making sure they survive - seems quite common in the West.

My dad mentioned the other day that he had the impression that American parents “don’t really love their kids.” I think what he meant was that the western, particularly Protestant, way of raising children is very hands off. In Asia, parents are expected to subordinate their individual identity to their role as a parent. Sadly that makes Asians raising kids in the US particularly thankless—the parents follow Asian nor…

> the kids often grow up westernized and don’t reciprocate

That should be expected though, and is likely an advantage for those kids. Integration is an important step in adopting a new country. That this will put you at odds with your parents is a common thing too, almost every group of immigrants that I'm aware of has this.

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