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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by wincy »

kkielhofner wrote: post #280
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

It made us feel so insulted and betrayed that when my wife would cry in the NICU for any reason the nurses would tattle on her and she’d get a call from the pill pushers trying to prescribe her psych meds.

It’s like look, my kid has literally been in the NICU for 6 months now (it ended up being 9 months total) and you’re strongly pressuring us to get her a tracheostomy (let’s not use medical euphemism here though, they wanted to put a tube into our babies throat which would make her unable to cry and necessitate round the clock nursing care) as the “standard of care” (bullshit, it would have made her quality of life worse). But she’s a little upset, better prescribe her happy pills!

For anyone wondering, this was 2019 and my daughter is right this moment peacefully sleeping in her bed with no external breathing aids necessary aside from a wedge pillow to help with her sleep apnea. My blood boils when I think of what we were forced through (especially my wife) dealing with the medical establishment after our daughter was born, but the psych meds being dangled in front of us is a particularly sore spot.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

cloutchaser wrote: post #271
jnovek wrote: post #201

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This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

> in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas

This is true in the broadest possible sense. It's why teenagers rebel against all social norms. The teenage mind mind is particularly geared toward identity discovery and without it, young adult minds would be simple inputs of their parents.

Besides that, nearly all big ideas are infectious. Language, gender, religion, politics, economics, &c are all incredibly infection ideas. You can look here and see any number of idea transmission vectors eager to transmit and propagate their strain of mental virus.

I'd encourage you to do some reading on childhood identity development (Marcia 1980). It seems as though you're advocating for identity foreclosure, by way of inoculating the teenage mind. But, you have to keep in mind that there are no anti-bodies here. It's virii all the way down.

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Post by nemo44x »

sam0x17 wrote: post #40
nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

I for one will be giving my child unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet as I had growing up. I will be suplementing that experience with plenty of education on how to avoid some of the pitfalls, but I find the best way to learn that stuff is to experience it yourself.

What you are describing is called "negligence" and is probably child abuse. You don't give kids unfettered access to anything, especially something as potentially extreme as the internet.

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Post by vianneychevalie »

nkrisc wrote: post #310
noobker wrote: post #199

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> you wear one mask with one group, another with a different group. Wouldnt say multiple identities though You're just establishing that for a given persona there is a spectrum from 'Mask' to 'Identity' and insisting that there is an arbitrary threshold. For a moment, embrace a worldview that there is no singular, core Identity -- in fact all personas are masks to some degree. An Identity may be a mask you're particu…

Obviously I don't know how other people feel, but even when I have to project different "identities" in different social situations, I'm still the same person within and just tailoring the output to be appropriate to the settings. I act differently when I'm playing with my son, when I'm at work, when I'm with my wife, etc... But I'm always the same person in all those situations with the same thoughts, the same desir…

If you like this topic, what you’re describing is the essentialist worldview, and in my opinion a major part of societal debates today touch on the rejection of this worldview (classically by existentialists).

Is there stability to who you are? This question can also be asked of nations, of language… And this debate dates back to Plato.

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Post by frozenlettuce »

cloutchaser wrote: post #271
jnovek wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

People usually only think about sexual predators preying on young people, but there are lots of "ideological predators" doing the same thing. Libertarians, communists, religious folks (yes, I know that this post upsets the whole political spectrum).

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Post by electrondood »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

> It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible

I mean, that's what religion is. It's a shared delusion that functions as a mind virus, where the conceptualization of deities that are on your side (but not the other side's) is mistaken for there actually being such a thing. The fact that it's normalized doesn't change the fact that it's a delusion.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

rlv-dan wrote: post #147
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

It's intellectually dishonest to criticize such movements because the vast majority of criticism is coming from people who have never done a lick of study in the fields attempting to diagnose these conditions. Also, apparently it never occurred to people that Google is one of the reasons that more people are getting diagnosed now. Before, people just treated you as weird and allowed you to languish in your own personal little hell. Seeking help at all was seen as a sign of moral weakness. At least now people can go to a doctor and actually get tested for a condition that you recognize having.

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Post by amelius »

watwut wrote: post #150
amelius wrote: post #73

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I bet it was better than TikTok challenges that went wrong.

Totally, photos of street kids: - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/6544361950034985/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/2392606043703676/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/340725528070828317/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/824158800572041820/ and so on

At least these kids were still alive.

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Post by Balgair »

jnovek wrote: post #26

As an adult who struggles with ADHD that can be severely impairing, I’ve learned quite a few tricks from TikTok’s ADHD advocates. It’s definitely a coin with two sides. Edit: I’ve also learned to accept things about me that I can’t change. For example, I have a better outcome if I plan to be distracted rather than trying to fight my way through distraction.

I'll echo the sentiment. I was unaware that thing I saw as 'normal' were more on the 'adhd' side of the spectrum than the 'normal' side. Learning that I was simultaneously not alone and 'rare' has been quite helpful. The reddit for adhd memes have been fun to go through.

https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdmeme/top/?sort=top&t=all

The socks one was a childhood fight in our family constantly. I hated certain socks and my siblings loved them. I can remember my dad berating me in a walmart parking lot about my sock preferences and still associate walmart with parental shame to this day. The way the inner sewn lining on the toes got occasionally stuck on my toenails when walking. They still gives me the creeps and heeby-jeebies, just these little mind grabbing zings with every 'wrong' step.

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