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Economic damage is real damage. If you break windows, and the govt has to repair those windows, it has less money to spend on welfare and charity and doing other stuff that a govt wants to do.

To nitpick- not necessarily, the extra expense just gets added to the deficit

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As soon as I saw the headline, figured it was Australia. It's a real stretch to call it a liberal democracy at this point.

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Clearly you live in a media echo chamber, the leaders and youtubers who record those protests were targeted in the same way.

One YouTube journalist even got the police on camera conspiring to press fake charges so they could give him no internet bail conditions, and thus stop his future recording of those events. No media reported it.

The leaders were all charged with incitement, encouring others to do illegal things (like going outside).

You could argue the overreach that these people experienced is now being applied to other dissenting groups.

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As soon as I saw the headline, figured it was Australia. It's a real stretch to call it a liberal democracy at this point.

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> nutjobs who have been loudly protesting every weekend since the start of covid have been left completely untouched

Are you sure about that? Or simply blinded by bias?

Police were barging into homes with search warrants, in one case handcuffing a pregnant mother in front of her kids because she encouraged people to go protest on facebook. Simply writing a comment about these protests was enough to be charged with incitement. [0]

There were hundreds of arrests each weekend for attending protests made illegal by public health laws. The same laws people were marching in the street about. Thousands punished by the legal system for exercising their basic democratic right. [1]

How exactly is that "untouched"? What a strange rewriting of recent Australian history to suit your own narrative.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austra...

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/18/hundreds-arrested-a...

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The accused is not yet on trial, much less found guilty.

He has posted bail. You don't just walk out of court after you receive bail, there are always conditions associated. Knowing that these people are repeat offenders, the judge has ordered these conditions so they don't once again attempt to break the laws set by created by elected officials who were democratically elected to office. No liberty was stolen today!

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Which largely exist because American health costs for an injury are life destroying, so few people can just eat the hospital bill.

Think it's probably more because unlike other Anglo jurisdictions, American lawyers can take matters on contingency, whereas at best UK/AUS/NZ lawyers can take them with conditional costs that significantly limit upside to the lawyer. This is also why the UK/AUS have such well developed litigation funding industries compared to the USA.

Isn't it also because the US has punitive damages that are awarded to the person suing, providing for an opportunity for a payout far greater than the compensation for the damages alone?

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Is there a decent country left in the world? One that values privacy, family values, private property and freedoms, knows a man from a woman and is not at war?

You say freedom but it sounds like you already have some viewpoints you don't think should be allowed, so freedom for you but not for others?
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