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Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by CoastalCoder »

barry-cotter wrote: post #45
robocat wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty clear [NZ has] a "so sue me," approach to legislation and governance NEw Zealander here: I honestly don’t understand what you are talking about. The culture of “sue”ing doesn’t really exist here. I wouldn’t guess there was a lot in common between NZ and Ozzie: we laugh or cry about what happens over in Oz. No idea about Canada.

As I understand it: No one in law or government has any attachment to the idea of freedom so they view restrictions on it as costless solutions to their problems. Thus “Well, if you don’t like it, sue us.” Us being the government.

I'm guessing that you're using some hyperbole here.

If you can refine that a bit we might get an interesting discussion.

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by j16sdiz »

Vecr wrote: post #91
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #49

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i dont know man, as a non-american, why do you consider your constitution with so much regard as being bulletproof? cant your government just change it? like any other governments do? whats so sacrosanct about it?

If your government tries to change it without the approval of the states, etc. (see constitutional amendments in the US), you kill the government. That's what the second amendment is for. To be pedantic, they are not the actual government anymore when they don't follow the constitution, but they have to be killed all the same to clear space for the new legitimate government.

> They have to be killed

Who have the power to do that? Does individual state have army?

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by Smoosh »

deathgripsss wrote: post #2

This seems incredibly Draconian for a climate protestor. Would this prohibit him from accessing cryptocurrencies?

The police seem to have a vendetta against the group the accused is part of:

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/07/02...

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by drc500free »

p1necone wrote: post #110
PostOnce wrote: post #82

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In NZ we like to claim we don't have a culture of suing, when this is mostly only because personal injury suits and ambulance-chasers don't exist here, largely because the ACC precludes that particular avenue for litigation. All kinds of other tort suits exist, it's just that people without any money don't know it, they have no lawyer and nothing to sue or be sued for. So we go around saying "we don't have a culture…

Sure, but when people talk about the USAs suing culture they are primarily talking about personal injury suits and ambulance chasers aren't they?

Which largely exist because American health costs for an injury are life destroying, so few people can just eat the hospital bill.

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by Nition »

wil421 wrote: post #77
robocat wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty clear [NZ has] a "so sue me," approach to legislation and governance NEw Zealander here: I honestly don’t understand what you are talking about. The culture of “sue”ing doesn’t really exist here. I wouldn’t guess there was a lot in common between NZ and Ozzie: we laugh or cry about what happens over in Oz. No idea about Canada.

I have no idea about New Zealand’s government but surely you have a court system where someone can seek legal recourse. Suing in this context means taking the government to court. How does NZ solve civil matters?

We do, although you can't sue for personal injury due to ACC[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_Compensation_Corporat...

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by exolymph »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #58
pilgrimfff wrote: post #20

As soon as I saw the headline, figured it was Australia. It's a real stretch to call it a liberal democracy at this point.

Quoted post unavailable.

Point being? This is pure whataboutism for no apparent reason other than pressing the "USA BAD" button.

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by magicalhippo »

j16sdiz wrote: post #112
Vecr wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your government tries to change it without the approval of the states, etc. (see constitutional amendments in the US), you kill the government. That's what the second amendment is for. To be pedantic, they are not the actual government anymore when they don't follow the constitution, but they have to be killed all the same to clear space for the new legitimate government.

> They have to be killed Who have the power to do that? Does individual state have army?

That's where the armed bears come into play, isn't it?

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by gardnr »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #92
motohagiography wrote: post #6

After a discussion with a lawyer friend (not australia, canada, so tangentially related), the "presumption of innocence" that would not obligate this person to have or produce a key for whatever gibberish someone sends to their devices, is what's known in legal circles as a "principle of fundamental justice," and it is not a right that is either absolute or inaliable the way that american rights are set up. One doesn…

Kiwi here, we have? What are you referring to? We have a rather dim outlook of Australian federal/state government overreach too, and some of their populist policies that discriminate against us, often with racist origins. And we've often enjoyed a TV drama or three recounting horrendous corruption in various Australian police forces. (I highly recommend the Underbelly series')

Not quite as bad as Australia, yet. You can join the New Zealand Council for Civil Liberties if you want to support their legal work to keep it that way.

> The law applies to both foreign visitors and returning New Zealand citizens:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/5/new-zealand-orders-...

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by openfuture »

motohagiography wrote: post #6

After a discussion with a lawyer friend (not australia, canada, so tangentially related), the "presumption of innocence" that would not obligate this person to have or produce a key for whatever gibberish someone sends to their devices, is what's known in legal circles as a "principle of fundamental justice," and it is not a right that is either absolute or inaliable the way that american rights are set up. One doesn…

Hey man, you are right, the legitimacy of many coordinators is at an all time low.

The simple way to move on is to just move on. Please help me: datalisp.is.

Re: Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let police access phone

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

calsy wrote: post #97
redact207 wrote: post #36

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Quoted post unavailable.

Yes those anti-mask nut jobs complaining about how spare rags fashioned into a mask don't stop the spread of covid. Wow thats crazy talk!

It's more the fact that they're protesting mask mandates that were lifted months ago, lockdowns that haven't happened for almost a year, and QR code checkins that are no longer present.

They are not advocating for N95 face masks out of concern that the cloth ones are ineffective.

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