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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by btilly »

ravenstine wrote: post #65
ncr100 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogers practiced effective communication for children, which I believe is worthwhile studying as an adult. Helps with clarity. Starts with: 1. State the idea you wish to express as clearly as possible, and in terms preschoolers can understand. Example: "It is dangerous to play in the street." 2. Rephrase in a positive manner, as in "It is good to play where it is safe." 3. Rephrase the idea, bearing in mind that pres…

In other words, he spoke to children as if they are inexperienced humans. When speaking to children, adults often start with the assumption that children are inferior in some way to adults and therefore they can't be spoken to in a rational way. On the contrary, Mr. Rogers spoke to children in a way that didn't condescend, and did so effectively, not shoving too many ideas into a single statement or making his audien…

In other words, he spoke to children as if they are inexperienced humans.

No, he spoke to them in the way he spoke to all humans. For example here he is talking to Congress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy7ljRr0AA

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by halostatue »

josephcsible wrote: post #56
toolz wrote: post #19

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No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. It reads to me as very disingenuous to frame the conversation as if there was an argument to be made that college's discriminating on unrelated, unchangeable, inherited characteristics is fair or just.

A lot of people argue that if exam scores or GPAs are correlated with unchangeable, inherited characteristics, then discriminating on exam scores or GPAs is unfair and unjust.

If exam scores / GPAs are correlated systemic (or, if you prefer, environmental) injustices and imbalances, then discriminating on those scores without considering the imbalances is unfair and unjust.

Race and economic status are heavily linked in the United States (https://voxeu.org/article/race-and-economic-opportunity-unit...). Children of lower economic means often have food security issues (they can‘t guarantee having had breakfast and/or even having a lunch every day). It is known that hungry children do worse educationally than those who are not hungry. It’s also known that when there’s a healthy school lunch program, there’s a substantial lift in educational results:

> We find that in years when a school contracts with a healthy lunch company, students at the school score better on end-of-year academic tests. On average, student test scores are 0.03 to 0.04 standard deviations higher (about 4 percentile points). Not only that, the test score increases are about 40 percent larger for students who qualify for reduced-price or free school lunches. These students are also the ones who are most likely to eat the school lunches.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/...

So, the people arguing aren’t arguing about "unchangeable, inherited" characteristics, but are instead arguing about very changeable ongoing systemic injustices.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by chimeracoder »

Woberto wrote: post #77
dxf wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mr. Rogers didn't start his children's programming work in Canada. That started when he worked on Josie Carey's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Carey ) show The Children's Corner on WQED in Pittsburg. Several of the puppets he used on Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood were first seen on The Children's Corner.

I think OP was referring to how Mr. Rogers introduced the show to a Canadian viewership, not him starting the show there

No, he started programming for children earlier, but the show Misterogers [sic] began in 1962 in Canada.

It later became Mister Rogers' Neighborhood [sic], which is what we know and remember him for today.

Some of the puppets he used were first introduced in Children's Corner in the 1950s, but the first show to carry his name, in any form, and starring him, was Misterogers in Canada.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by chimeracoder »

dxf wrote: post #71
Waterluvian wrote: post #52

One of my favourite little stories is how Mr Rogers started off in Canada. He brought a small team to Toronto and did the show there for a year. One member of the team stayed in Canada when the rest returned to the States. His name was Mr. Dressup, which for many Canadians is our cherished childhood equivalent of Mr. Rogers.

Mr. Rogers didn't start his children's programming work in Canada. That started when he worked on Josie Carey's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Carey ) show The Children's Corner on WQED in Pittsburg. Several of the puppets he used on Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood were first seen on The Children's Corner.

I explain in more detail below, but: Mr. Rogers began children's programming work earlier in the 1950s, but the show we know him for today began in Canada as Misterogers in the 1960s.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by djbusby »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52

One of my favourite little stories is how Mr Rogers started off in Canada. He brought a small team to Toronto and did the show there for a year. One member of the team stayed in Canada when the rest returned to the States. His name was Mr. Dressup, which for many Canadians is our cherished childhood equivalent of Mr. Rogers.

This (mostly) checks out

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Rogers%27_Neighborhoo...

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by rufus_foreman »

bentley wrote: post #87
rufus_foreman wrote: post #82

The guy had a dark side too, https://c.tenor.com/wW881hjc4swAAAAd/gif.gif .

Full context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmpz4uOGjGU

Here's a Johnny Carson interview with him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOcrlJuF9wU

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by b112 »

crooked-v wrote: post #53
b112 wrote: post #38

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You are seeing hate, as a reflection of your own emotional response to the act. You are also insisting that those responsible, must believe just as you do, and therefore presuming they think their act wrong. If you cannot see how they view they world, how their thinking is wrong, cannot see how they think, you have zero chance of correcting it.

I'm sure many people who took part in historical lynchings against minorities thought themselves absolutely justified and were having a grand ol' time doing it. If you look up the records, you'll find that some lynchings were even treated as spontaneous parties by the aggressors: they broke out the good booze, started up some campfire cooking, danced and played music... all while their targets hung dead in the backgr…

You are now discussing an entirely different thibg, I therefore presume you had no valid response to my prior comment.
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