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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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> How, exactly? Consider two students with equal intelligence and equal skill at studying. One lives in a rich suburban neighborhood where schools are well-funded and the parents have the time and money to supply constant extracurricular attention to their children. The other lives in a single-parent household in a historically redlined urban neighborhood where the school budgets are peanuts and he has to work a part…

Yes but how is that going to be equalized by another 4 years of the same?

It’s not that people will be exactly equal but rather you can validate admission criteria by comparing graduation rates and GPA’s.

If men and women graduate at similar rates and have similar GPA’s then your admission criteria are presumably reasonably unbiased. If men have lower GPA’s and graduate at lower rates then presumably their admission criteria should be raised to account for biases you aren’t aware of.

If however you underrepresent men relative to the general population you may want to focus on attracting more of them through advertising.

From an outside perspective this might seem unfair. Why is the school spending so much money mailing to young men while requiring more extra curricular activists to be admitted? It’s a question of equal standards vs equal opportunity.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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One of my favourite little stories is how Mr Rogers started off in Canada. He brought a small team to Toronto and did the show there for a year. One member of the team stayed in Canada when the rest returned to the States. His name was Mr. Dressup, which for many Canadians is our cherished childhood equivalent of Mr. Rogers.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Whatever your definition of "hate" is, if it doesn't capture teaching people to believe Black people are inferior, it's an unproductive definition, one that will just lead you into constant unproductive semantic debates. A lesson that Black people are inferior is a lesson reasonable people will consider hateful. Some beliefs people hold are simply hateful; we are not bound to respect them.

You are seeing hate, as a reflection of your own emotional response to the act. You are also insisting that those responsible, must believe just as you do, and therefore presuming they think their act wrong. If you cannot see how they view they world, how their thinking is wrong, cannot see how they think, you have zero chance of correcting it.

I'm sure many people who took part in historical lynchings against minorities thought themselves absolutely justified and were having a grand ol' time doing it. If you look up the records, you'll find that some lynchings were even treated as spontaneous parties by the aggressors: they broke out the good booze, started up some campfire cooking, danced and played music... all while their targets hung dead in the background or, sometimes, slowly choked to death.

None of that makes it any less of a hateful act.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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> Google "math is whiteness" That's about how teaching methods are failing some children, and then they're being judged for it unfairly. It's not against proper education and testing and using that to sort.

> teaching methods are failing some children if you assume that all children are equally capable of learning everything then you are forced to conclude that teaching methods are failing some children. But if you "believe in science" (it's quite popular today to profess belief in science), you don't believe assumptions like that.

All children are equally capable of learning but different children are receptive to different teaching styles and approaches.

Only teaching children with a small selection of approaches that were primarily refined with middle to upper class white neuro-typical children can be considered discriminatory.

That's the point of those studies.

It would be like forcing a kid who is growing up in middle-to-upper class western society to solely learn mathematics via ancient greek visual proofs and then blame them for not understanding maths because they "just aren't trying" or "they aren't smart".

Everybody has equal capacities to learn but only if you can find the style of learning which works for each person.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Grew up watching Fred on local TV, probably saw every episode for a decade, and know people who have met him. He was the real deal, with the courage to have unswayable adherence to pure humanitarian values. Look up the time he went to shame Congress into funding PBS.

I put Mr Wizard into the same category

Yes! I didn't grow up watching Mr. Rogers (not sure why as it was the right era, but I think he wasn't on TV nationwide yet), but did grow up watching Mr. Wizard. For my 10th birthday my mom arranged for me to go meet Mr. Wizard in his studio lab which was a couple hours drive from where we lived. Really nice guy. Give me some books and some electric motors and showed me around. He invited me to be a guest on his show, but I was way too shy as a kid to do that. I was happy enough with the private tour.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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“Anti-racism is usually structured around conscious efforts and deliberate actions which are intended to provide equal opportunities for all people on both an individual and a systemic level.” Actually being color blind rather than having the appearance of being color blind is a tricky thing. Taken to an extreme, a collage which had a purely random acceptance criteria is non discriminatory, but it would feel like dis…

No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. It reads to me as very disingenuous to frame the conversation as if there was an argument to be made that college's discriminating on unrelated, unchangeable, inherited characteristics is fair or just.

A lot of people argue that if exam scores or GPAs are correlated with unchangeable, inherited characteristics, then discriminating on exam scores or GPAs is unfair and unjust.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

The documentary "Won't You Be My Neighbor" was even better than the movie, highly recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhwktRDG_aQ

The scene (actual video footage) of him testifying in front of congress was so amazing I wouldn’t have believed it actually happened if I saw it in a dramatized movie. I tried to find a clip on YouTube but I can’t - it’s worth watching this documentary if only to watch him actually convince a skeptical senator to fund PBS.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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> teaching methods are failing some children if you assume that all children are equally capable of learning everything then you are forced to conclude that teaching methods are failing some children. But if you "believe in science" (it's quite popular today to profess belief in science), you don't believe assumptions like that.

All children are equally capable of learning but different children are receptive to different teaching styles and approaches. Only teaching children with a small selection of approaches that were primarily refined with middle to upper class white neuro-typical children can be considered discriminatory. That's the point of those studies. It would be like forcing a kid who is growing up in middle-to-upper class wester…

Is it true that all children are equally capable of learning?

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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The documentary "Won't You Be My Neighbor" was even better than the movie, highly recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhwktRDG_aQ

The scene (actual video footage) of him testifying in front of congress was so amazing I wouldn’t have believed it actually happened if I saw it in a dramatized movie. I tried to find a clip on YouTube but I can’t - it’s worth watching this documentary if only to watch him actually convince a skeptical senator to fund PBS.

I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but another comment has a YouTube link for something similar at least: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32289389

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Stop selectively using Dr King’s words to support a stance that his writings, especially his writings later than the "I have a dream" speech, do not support. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.... https://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/justice06.htm#Co... Mister Rogers absolutely embraced anti-racism on his show. That you do not understand that says much more about you than about anyone…

Please elaborate on what it is that I do not understand. Which version of anti-racisim did Mr. Rogers embrace?

https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-o...

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