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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by fsckboy »

toolz wrote: post #19
Retric wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Anti-racism is usually structured around conscious efforts and deliberate actions which are intended to provide equal opportunities for all people on both an individual and a systemic level.” Actually being color blind rather than having the appearance of being color blind is a tricky thing. Taken to an extreme, a collage which had a purely random acceptance criteria is non discriminatory, but it would feel like dis…

No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. It reads to me as very disingenuous to frame the conversation as if there was an argument to be made that college's discriminating on unrelated, unchangeable, inherited characteristics is fair or just.

> No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad.

you're wrong. being in favor of "equitable outcomes" today frequently means arguing that discrimination on the basis of math or other test scores is bad. Google "math is whiteness" or see the elimination of gifted and talented programs in public schools

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by rblatz »

b112 wrote: post #16
nimbius wrote: post #10

I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

What a weird way to put it, it makes it sound as if this difference of opinion is hate based, not just a wrong belief. It isn't forbidden "because it works", it is forbidden "because teaching works", and a step back, "they believe it to be wrong information" By stating your shortcut, eg "teaching works", I feel you are glossing over, while unintentionally, the fact that there is an actual difference of belief here. S…

I’m not sure the distinction between the idea that this other group of people are inferior and hatred.

If a group is inferior it’s then ok to use the state and other social systems to keep them below you. That seems pretty hateful to me.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by feet »

imglorp wrote: post #14
OJFord wrote: post #11

I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

Grew up watching Fred on local TV, probably saw every episode for a decade, and know people who have met him. He was the real deal, with the courage to have unswayable adherence to pure humanitarian values. Look up the time he went to shame Congress into funding PBS.

We need more people like Mr. Rogers

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by aliqot »

imglorp wrote: post #14
OJFord wrote: post #11

I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

Grew up watching Fred on local TV, probably saw every episode for a decade, and know people who have met him. He was the real deal, with the courage to have unswayable adherence to pure humanitarian values. Look up the time he went to shame Congress into funding PBS.

I put Mr Wizard into the same category

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by michaelchisari »

OJFord wrote: post #11

I watched Tom Hanks' portrayal on the plane a few months ago; being non-American and unfamiliar with the original programme, I was a good way in to the film before I started to suspect it was a 'docudrama' rather than the surrealist drama I'd thitherto thought! It was an enjoyable film about an apparently almost 'too good to be true' gentleman even without the context of having grown up with The Neighbourhood .

The documentary "Won't You Be My Neighbor" was even better than the movie, highly recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhwktRDG_aQ

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by tptacek »

b112 wrote: post #16
nimbius wrote: post #10

I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

What a weird way to put it, it makes it sound as if this difference of opinion is hate based, not just a wrong belief. It isn't forbidden "because it works", it is forbidden "because teaching works", and a step back, "they believe it to be wrong information" By stating your shortcut, eg "teaching works", I feel you are glossing over, while unintentionally, the fact that there is an actual difference of belief here. S…

Whatever your definition of "hate" is, if it doesn't capture teaching people to believe Black people are inferior, it's an unproductive definition, one that will just lead you into constant unproductive semantic debates. A lesson that Black people are inferior is a lesson reasonable people will consider hateful. Some beliefs people hold are simply hateful; we are not bound to respect them.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by rayiner »

nimbius wrote: post #10

I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by elliekelly »

b112 wrote: post #16
nimbius wrote: post #10

I'd argue the five minutes of episode when Fred soaked his feet with a black man in a kiddie pool delivered a more crushing blow to the KKK than his suit did. a lot of kids saw that, and in turn became a lot harder to indoctrinate. bigots and racists unfortunately remembered that lesson very well. teaching lgbtq and the history of race in this country is all but forbidden in some States because it works.

What a weird way to put it, it makes it sound as if this difference of opinion is hate based, not just a wrong belief. It isn't forbidden "because it works", it is forbidden "because teaching works", and a step back, "they believe it to be wrong information" By stating your shortcut, eg "teaching works", I feel you are glossing over, while unintentionally, the fact that there is an actual difference of belief here. S…

> Such people can believe black people are inferior, or lgbtq is wrong, without it deriving from hate. Their hate comes from people trying to "corrupt" their children's beliefs, and anyone with a child would feel precisely the same way, if they thought the thing taught, was very wrong.

I think I understand what you’re trying to say but if you explore the next “layer” of their beliefs and ask why they’re so afraid you’ll find the ultimate root of these beliefs is hatred.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

fsckboy wrote: post #21
toolz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. It reads to me as very disingenuous to frame the conversation as if there was an argument to be made that college's discriminating on unrelated, unchangeable, inherited characteristics is fair or just.

> No one argues discrimination is bad, they argue discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color or gender is bad. you're wrong. being in favor of "equitable outcomes" today frequently means arguing that discrimination on the basis of math or other test scores is bad. Google "math is whiteness" or see the elimination of gifted and talented programs in public schools

> Google "math is whiteness"

That's about how teaching methods are failing some children, and then they're being judged for it unfairly. It's not against proper education and testing and using that to sort.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by exogeny »

Mr. Rogers is one of the purest people to have ever walked this Earth. I used to infrequently run into him outside of WQED’s studios when walking to and from CMU’s campus and without fail, he’d have a huge smile on his face and tell me (as I’m sure he did everyone!) to have a great day and that he was proud.

To this day the memory brings a huge smile to my face. What a human being.

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