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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by robotnikman »

nwatson wrote: post #434
Schroedingersat wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just google. See playsforsure, amazon drive etc

Yeah I just noticed Amazon Drive is going away. No more uploads after 2023 January, no more access for non-photo/video files some time toward end of 2023. Years ago I got tired of the mess that was Google Picasa and transferred all photos, videos, and most important docs to Amazon Drive. Now I need to find yet another service.

It seems when it comes to cloud storage, you best bet is going with a company who's main product is cloud storage, and not just an afterthought or value-add like it was for Amazon.

Or build your own NAS is you have the time and experience.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by jjulius »

endisneigh wrote: post #432
bogwog wrote: post #389

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What do you consider a "baseless rumor"? There's an anonymous source behind this one, and while we obviously don't know who the source is, I wouldn't consider that "baseless". Take it with a grain of salt, sure, but that's true for any rumor. Also, you seem to be implying that you also have an anonymous source at Google (or are one yourself). Either way, the credibility of your comment isn't any better than that Twit…

Anonymous sources providing nothing but a statement are baseless. Stadia will exist by the end of the summer. You don’t have to believe me. Like I said feel free to come back to this thread in October.

>Anonymous sources providing nothing but a statement are baseless.

To the parent commenter's point, you said, "This is absolutely false". Do you have actual evidence otherwise, or are you making baseless conjecture based on, well... baseless conjecture?

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by olodus »

I think Stadia never made good of any of its real promises. Did the browser solution ever get released? I guess there were probably huge technical problems but I think that was were it truly would have found its market.

Imagine watching a game preview presentation, and instead of those stupid gameplay vods you could actually jump in and play a small demo yourself.

I know a lot of those game preview vods are faked and stuff but for some stuff (maybe indie games especially) a small real demo should still have been possible.

Furthermore that might have provided Stadia with a new income path, publishers would pay for streaming of their game previews. And consumers would have a natural interface to start using the service and maybe continue where they started on the demo.

I don't know, maybe always was a pipedream but it felt like it would have been worth a try.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by MichaelCollins »

endisneigh wrote: post #435
MichaelCollins wrote: post #339

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> That list is irrelevant. You said the rumor is baseless, but that list is a rock solid foundation for any rumor of Google cancelling anything.

That’s not how it works. Would you believe the same about Google Ads? Rock solid foundation and all that.

Any confidence I have in the continued existence of Google Ads comes from Google Ads persisting for several years already. That confers approximately zero confidence to Stadia. Stadia is new to Google, and that list shows that things new to Google are very likely to be cancelled. If Stadia hangs on for 20 years, then expectations will be adjusted, but that hasn't happened so it's foolish to expect it.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by Aeolun »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #423
somenameforme wrote: post #312

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> "..they wouldn't have the legal right to do that with any game that wasn't their own.." Both Gabe Newell, the founder/owner of Steam/Vale, and the official support response is now to state that they would provide means for users to continue to have access to their games should Steam shut down. Suggesting they are lying demands more evidence than a random claim, especially as that lie itself would likely be unlawful…

In the case of first party games owned by Valve, they may earnestly intend to do as they say, and consequently aren't lying when they say it. Nevertheless, such promises about what will happen when the company is departing are worth approximately jack shit. Whether it's Gabe (or his heirs) later deciding to sell the company or creditors carving up the company after it fails, there are many scenarios in which those ea…

> they know they don't have a license to do what they're promising

Do they not? Did you read the terms for publishing a game on Steam?

I didn’t, but it’s within reason it contains a provision for just this eventuality.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by jmyeet »

There’s a lot of talk about Google abandonware here and that’s fair but this isn’t an example of that. This is an example of a dumb idea meeting it’s inevitable fate.

Two words should’ve stopped this from ever launching: input lag.

I get the spirit of being disruptive and trying hard things but some ideas are just stupid because they ignore physical limits.

Anyone remember UBeam? Apparently our still around as SonicEnergy. That too is a fundamentally dumb idea.

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Post by upupandup »

wccrawford wrote: post #377
fleddr wrote: post #356

False rumor or not, Stadia has very little market fit. It's no solution for budget gamers. You still need to pay for the services, the individual games and need to have an excellent network connection to make it usable. It's not exactly a solution for the "poor". It's not really a solution for most casual/infrequent gamers either. Most high-end games are not casual games, they require a time investment. Plus, in this…

You only need to pay for the games (at full price because there's never a sale!) and your internet connection. You can play at 1080p for free. You need to subscribe to Stadia for 4k and some free games. In the end, I agree with you, it's just not quite as bad as you painted it.

its a horrible proposition: pay to watch a video stream of a game you dont own that you can control with lag.

why would I do that when I can buy a game on Steam or GOG or even outright pirate it, run it on my local machine, don't need to worry about internet upstream capacity, and I can take it anywhere?

it never made any sense and will never make sense.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by [deleted] »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #444
endisneigh wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how it works. Would you believe the same about Google Ads? Rock solid foundation and all that.

Any confidence I have in the continued existence of Google Ads comes from Google Ads persisting for several years already. That confers approximately zero confidence to Stadia. Stadia is new to Google, and that list shows that things new to Google are very likely to be cancelled. If Stadia hangs on for 20 years, then expectations will be adjusted, but that hasn't happened so it's foolish to expect it.

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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by endisneigh »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #444
endisneigh wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how it works. Would you believe the same about Google Ads? Rock solid foundation and all that.

Any confidence I have in the continued existence of Google Ads comes from Google Ads persisting for several years already. That confers approximately zero confidence to Stadia. Stadia is new to Google, and that list shows that things new to Google are very likely to be cancelled. If Stadia hangs on for 20 years, then expectations will be adjusted, but that hasn't happened so it's foolish to expect it.

Do you believe Google will cancel Cloud? It’s also new. If you do there’s money to be made shorting Google.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by _jal »

Aeolun wrote: post #418
anonymousab wrote: post #394

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The best part is how he just completely avoided actually answering the question. They simply refused to ever give a clear answer. Because they know the answer, and we know the answer, and it's all bad for them. Rather than engineer a system where the answer could be more positive, they stick their fingers in their ears (the most charitable interpretation).

I don’t understand why he didn’t just respond that your games will be gone. Or at least “in the worst case, your games might be gone”. People aren’t stupid, they know exactly what the evasive answer means, so why evade at all?

Classic SV "never mention tradeoffs" behavior.

It amazes me that this persists, it is such a bad sales tactic. If the person you're dealing with isn't a sucker, now you've destroyed trust. (You've destroyed it later with the sucker, when they realize what happened. Hope one sale was enough for you.)

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