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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by camel_Snake »

wccrawford wrote: post #377
fleddr wrote: post #356

False rumor or not, Stadia has very little market fit. It's no solution for budget gamers. You still need to pay for the services, the individual games and need to have an excellent network connection to make it usable. It's not exactly a solution for the "poor". It's not really a solution for most casual/infrequent gamers either. Most high-end games are not casual games, they require a time investment. Plus, in this…

You only need to pay for the games (at full price because there's never a sale!) and your internet connection. You can play at 1080p for free. You need to subscribe to Stadia for 4k and some free games. In the end, I agree with you, it's just not quite as bad as you painted it.

Sales are infrequent, but they happen. https://stadiadb.app/ lists lowest sale prices of all their games.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by NikolaNovak »

fluoridation wrote: post #205
NikolaNovak wrote: post #104

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That's how GoG works. That's not how steam works on its own. Steam explicitly a service where you buy a defined and limited license for permission to execute the files through proprietary framework that might one day disappear. Don't get me wrong, steam is my preferred digital delivery platform and where I play majority of my games. But I am under no illusion that gives me any sort of permanence (without potential ha…

You're not describing how Steam is meant to work, but rather how things are likely to play out for a lot of titles if Steam ever shuts down. Yes, if Steam shuts down, any game that (due to technical requirements) requires Steam to be up will be left unusable, and the customers will be left with pretty much no recourse. Not because legally they're not entitled to the products they paid for, but because it would be imp…

>>Steam sells permanent licenses.

I mean, no? Just no. Kindle doesn't sell you permanent irrevocable licenses and neither does steam, nor origin etc. They've each been revoked in the past and it's demonstrably true. Their TOS is clear and trivial to read. They all grant personal, limited, non-transferable, revocable and non-exclusive licenses.

You may be able to crack the downloaded steam game files to get them to run. But that's lateral to steam and irrelevant to discussion. if you're going to run cracked files skip steam and go to piratebay.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by bdefore »

technofiend wrote: post #362
bdefore wrote: post #292

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That's an odd comparison. Unlike Stadia, if the Pixel phone division shuts down you still have a working phone. Forums will be forums and the trolls get the spotlight. Pixel phones, particularly the cheaper 'a' models, are very popular and good value. What significant things are much better on non-Google Android phones?

>... you still have a working phone You do, but if Google literally dropped support of their phones, you'd never get another security update, so it'd be in your best interest to move although not mandatory like if Stadia shut down. The comparison is about peoples' visceral reaction to Google products when they're disappointed, not specifically when the product is dropped. > What significant things are much better on…

You're proposing then that Google is in a disappointment loop. I think that's much more true for the technologically versed than the broader public. If they shut down Gmail/Maps/YouTube/Chromecast that'd breach the layman dyke, but I can't see them doing that.

Google I feel's is this age's General Electric. They already borrowed all the wrong ideas from Jack Welch. Most people, if they dug a bit, just want Google to keep what it's already built running and not charge for it. It's just not a place you expect radically good innovation to come from anymore. So, like your Whirlpool dishwasher, you expect it to do its thing, never rave about it to anyone, and moan about it when it breaks.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by tpxl »

staticassertion wrote: post #246
srmarm wrote: post #214

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If google were going out of business I'd agree with you, but they're not. As a business they have plenty of money. What they're (possibly) doing is shutting this service to save some money. I suspect they'll refund or at least credit the relatively small number of people who purchased games on the service. It was always an odd setup to sell something for a fixed fee that potentially has an endless cost to deliver. Go…

I doubt they'll credit anyone. Why would they? You purchased a license to play a game through their service. Their service is no longer there. I haven't gone through any terms of service for Stadia but I can't imagine that they aren't covered for this.

Something something EU consumer protection law, stuff needs 2 year warranty, and if it breaks in that time you either have to replace or refund the customers. Doubly so if you knew the product wouldn't last 2 years.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by Dma54rhs »

onmobile2022 wrote: post #62

Google> we'll engineer a cloud gaming service Gamers> um have you even met us? What about the speed of light? Google> we'll beat the speed of light using genius engineering Gamers> lol Google> we're shutting down because nobody uses us Gamers> lol Yet another case of having never spoken to the actual customer

Cloud gaming as a concept is long proven. Pc gamers bothered by a 10ms button delays are not a huge target market.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

kmeisthax wrote: post #272
NikolaNovak wrote: post #123

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>>Maybe if Stadia allowed you to play the games on your machine OR Stadia, the would have been a more compelling offering. Personally, I would have loved a service like that GeForce now and xbox cloud both seem to check those boxes, with geforce now offering more permanence. You buy a game on steam or GoG or epic or whatever, than play it offline on your computer or stream via geforce now. I was skeptical but loved i…

Geforce Now was probably the most consumer-friendly version of game streaming possible and every game publisher shat their pants and blocked it. Hell, even some indie developers blocked it. From a user perspective it's equivalent to renting an EC2 instance and installing Parsec and Steam on it, just automated. But the publishers looked at it like Nvidia had stolen their games to make their own bootleg streaming servi…

> But the publishers looked at it like Nvidia had stolen their games to make their own bootleg streaming service.

nVidia was preloading games onto their service without licenses, and so they needed publisher approvals to do this. There are other cloud services that offer a gaming-capable PC and block storage and don't run afoul of this, since you need to install the games yourself.

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Post by Ekaros »

bushbaba wrote: post #355
lelandfe wrote: post #298

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> Q: If the Stadia service is discontinued, do we know what (if anything) will happen with game purchases? > Andrey Doronichev, then Stadia Director of Product: > We get this a lot. I hear you. Moving to the cloud is scary. I felt the same way when music was transitioning from files to streaming. I still have all my old CDs in the garage… although it's hard to find a CD player these days :) > The same happened to Mov…

Funny as stadia might have seen huge adoption IF they didn’t have a reputation of killing services and leaving the service user to hang. Killing of stadia only reaffirms peoples fear to use google products. This includes GCP.

Which meminds me that I might need to spend day or two during my vacation to move all of the services from gmail to possibly more stable address...

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Post by cuteboy19 »

solardev wrote: post #353
staticassertion wrote: post #241

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Yeah, I'm always very skeptical of new Google services. I use GSuite and Chromebooks, but I know those are heavily used internally at Google and I believe that they'll continue to invest in those. But every other service, nah. Between their inability to provide support while a service is up and their consistent lack of long term vision/ investment for the services they create, it's just not worth it. I can't imagine…

Exactly. Lol I'm just imagining a company trying to use their chat services. "OK guys sorry, I know we just did this three weeks ago, but they've launched a new chat service and are deprecating the old one. Yeah, again. What's new? Uh... there's a new logo this time. And you can install it as a progressive web app."

They overcompensate by plugging chat functionality in every app. Maps, GPay India and Drive all have chat features

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Post by barbazoo »

jsiepkes wrote: post #168
999900000999 wrote: post #105

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I strongly suspect just to avoid backlash they'll refund people. But technically when you buy a game you're not really buying a game anymore, there's no physical item purchased. You're merely purchasing a temporary non-transferable license to use it. Back in the '90s if I gave you a Game boy game, it now belonged to you. I guess if I started a company renting them out Nintendo could sue me for copyright infringement…

Though it would be a total scumbag move not to compensate people whatsoever it might be a "good" scorched earth tactic. It ensures consumers will probably think even harder before adopting such a service. Meaning it will be even harder for competitors to succeed where Google themselves failed. Then again you will need to be sure never wanting to return to that particular market.... > Back in the '90s if I gave you a…

> It ensures consumers will probably think even harder before adopting such a service.

The few that used the service maybe. Most people have never heard of it.

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