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Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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A quote from Patrick Collison from one of the last "HN support threads": "We actually have an ongoing project to reduce the occurrence of these mistaken rejections by 90% by the end of this year. I think we'll succeed at it. (They're already down 50% since earlier this year.)" At this point it is obvious that he/his PR staff are lying. The only question is: What are some good Stripe alternatives?

> What are some good Stripe alternatives?

Square is one. https://developer.squareup.com/reference/square/payments-api

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

#293

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I don't think Stripe holding money is the problem here. The problem to me seems that there is no support to be reached at Stripe to dispute their decision or get a human to answer. I agree that OP's business doesn't seem that healthy if $3000 are such a big problem, however that doesn't make Stripe's non-existing support any better.

I've dealt with Stripe support and it's been... fine? Good even? I can only assume that if they've gone radio silent there's a reason. I'm not convinced Stripe is acting in bad faith, as shitty as this is. (Unlike, say, PayPal, who is notorious for shit like this). At least one instance I'm aware of has to do with anti-money laundering regulations, where it can be disallowed to communicate regarding a pending investi…

> I can only assume that if they've gone radio silent there's a reason

This is the fundamental mistake made when dealing with these corporations. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, but beyond that, any customer service system that has a heavy bot presence and outright removes inconvenient (for them) points of contact should be assumed negligent and suspect by default.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

#294

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Corporate process improvement is not an excuse for treating people badly. An individual human who treats people badly is not allowed to say "well I deal with a lot of people and I need algorithms and sometimes my algorithms don't work so I'm doing my best to improve them". Corporations should not get a pass because they need cheap processes that "scale" to maintain their profit margins. This is the perpetual moral ha…

I think this negativity is uncalled for. They said that they do their best, sometimes there are mistakes on their end that they try to fix, and sometimes the person complaining is lying or leaving out details that would explain the situation. If you've ever dealt with people, you would know that they often "forget" things or downplay things that would make them look bad.

I think this criticism is called for. The customer tried asking them nicely and it sounds like they did not try very hard to fix it -- which is an experience I can empathize with 100 times over. If you've ever dealt with companies, you know that they often have policies and procedures that intentionally screw customers and they only back off if it blows up publicly. Because they can. Our accountability mechanisms suck.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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If it was, say, a $30000 charge I could give Stripe the benefit of doubt, but $3300 is a pretty ordinary amount for any retailer. Could be e.g. a laptop sale, or three phones? When I see Stripe's apology here it will not be enough for me - not at least without a detailed blog post / postmortem. Until/if that moment happens, I'll regard Stripe as an untrustworthy entity and will recommend doing the same to do anyone I…

> When I see Stripe's apology here it will not be enough for me I'm actually just starting a business using Stripe for handling payments, and this makes me very concerned. Is there an alternative service one could use? Is there a way not to give these shady companies power to steal all my money?

Square is one option. https://developer.squareup.com/reference/square/payments-api

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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Having watched a lot of these stories go down one thread in many of them is Stripe was required by some combination of regulators/banks to freeze funds of someone who has been selling cannabis, and because of privacy cannot openly say that such is the case. The person proceeds to escalate and escalate through every customer service option (including Reddit, HN) not necessarily because they’re not getting a response,…

And what does any of that have to do with Elon, Doge, Hashcat, OpenDNS, BTC, or hacking a phone? How could any of those reddit posts be relevant?

Those do seem irrelevant to me. The cannabis one caught my eye though.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

#298

How much does Stripe charge for this service? Say you are a vendor who sells 1000 products a month for $100 each. So $100,000 in monthly revenue, split into 1000 payments. How much would you pay to Stripe per month? And how quickly can you move incoming payments away from Stripe?

Unless you have a bulk deal (which you won't even at 1.2M/annual, though you are close IIRC) you are paying 2.9% + $0.30 (also assuming you aren't using any extras). > How much would you pay to Stripe per month? So ($100,000 * 0.029) + (1000 * $0.30) = $3,200 / mo > And how quickly can you move incoming payments away from Stripe? Not an easy question. Depends a lot on your payment stack and how you implemented Stripe…

> I ended up moving back to Stripe because the alternatives suck even more, or at least the one I picked.

Did you try Square? https://developer.squareup.com/reference/square/payments-api

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

#299

The OP later clarified that it wasn't a normal transaction. They sold a "cheap company van" using their stripe business account. That seems like a huge liability, since a used car seems extremely likely to cause a chargeback. I don't think dealerships would accept a credit card payment (other than deposit) for this reason. https://www.reddit.com/r/smallbusiness/comments/wa1zob/dont_...

And one of the comments below that one explains exactly why this is a problem:

"When you sign up for your Stripe account, you had to state what business you were using it for. If you're doing business with your Stripe account that is not related to what you sign up for, then there are reasons why Stripe is now holding your money."

It's listed in Stripe's terms and conditions on Prohibited Items:

"Use of Stripe products to facilitate transactions on behalf of another undisclosed merchant or for products/services that were not disclosed in the merchant's Stripe account application."

https://stripe.com/en-au/legal/restricted-businesses

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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I think people forget how much effort it took to accept credit cards at the time Stripe launched, too. Not just technical, but having to get a merchant account, which would be through a bank, who'd want to sell you a rented point-of-sale and a contract for a minimum amount of fees per month, and a rate hike for being a "risky online business".

Yeah, I tried to leave the Stripe platform for lower fees and... well I'd give just about anything to go back in time and stop myself from doing something so stupid. Also in the end the %/per-transaction fees were barely lower AND they had a TON of hidden fees/charges. The processor lied about fees/rates, API/docs were absolute shit (and they were on the better end of what else I've seen but compared to Stripe they s…

Have you tried Square? https://developer.squareup.com/reference/square/payments-api
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