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Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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(I work for Stripe, and since many of my colleagues are currently sleeping, taking the liberty of saying this on their behalf.) We are looking into things. As someone who ran businesses for a long time myself, it would be very alarming to me if customers felt they were being ignored while repeatedly talking to people who work for us. If that ever happens, please bring in literally anyone at Stripe, inclusive of other…

Corporate process improvement is not an excuse for treating people badly. An individual human who treats people badly is not allowed to say "well I deal with a lot of people and I need algorithms and sometimes my algorithms don't work so I'm doing my best to improve them". Corporations should not get a pass because they need cheap processes that "scale" to maintain their profit margins. This is the perpetual moral ha…

I think this negativity is uncalled for. They said that they do their best, sometimes there are mistakes on their end that they try to fix, and sometimes the person complaining is lying or leaving out details that would explain the situation. If you've ever dealt with people, you would know that they often "forget" things or downplay things that would make them look bad.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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If you have no issue losing 3k without any reason, can I have 3k from your business as well?

It's not losing 3k, it's delayed payment

So can I borrow it for four months? I’ll invest it and give it back but I’ll keep the interest. Oh by the way inflation will have devalued it. Sorry about that.

Won’t make any difference to you as your business is robust, right?

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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> Their dev support on discord This is also a red flag

Stripe is developer centric. Discord has a lot of developers in their community. I don't really like Discord, but i must admit it is a smart choice.

A normal forum would be better in most ways.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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Maybe if the company had some way, any way at all, to reach an actual human being, this wouldn't be a constantly repeated problem on HN and elsewhere.

As I have observed in other contexts ( https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1463749947858165761 ), many people who say "Ugh, I cannot reach a real human" have in fact spoken to several humans, repeatedly and at length, and are imprecisely stating their desire to speak to a person who would agree with their view of the facts and swiftly enact the resolution that they prefer. We offer (human-powered, somewhat obviously?)…

I can attest to this.

The small company I was working for got card tested (scammers use hundreds of stolen cards to see if they work). I called customer support and talked with a human on a Friday night at 8pm for 15 minutes about our options. 2-3 days later, I chatted with someone from the fraud team.

I was surprised by the high touch service even though didn't have a lot of volume (new account w/ less than $10k of transactions).

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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> Their dev support on discord This is also a red flag

Stripe is developer centric. Discord has a lot of developers in their community. I don't really like Discord, but i must admit it is a smart choice.

> Stripe is developer centric.

What kind of excuse is that? I've seen so many small businesses using Stripe. I doubt all their owners are developers who are comfortable with Discord.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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What relevance does any of that have when OP has supporting documents for this specific transaction, which is the only transaction Stripe has issue with and the only issue that OP is trying to resolve?

Having watched a lot of these stories go down one thread in many of them is Stripe was required by some combination of regulators/banks to freeze funds of someone who has been selling cannabis, and because of privacy cannot openly say that such is the case. The person proceeds to escalate and escalate through every customer service option (including Reddit, HN) not necessarily because they’re not getting a response,…

And what does any of that have to do with Elon, Doge, Hashcat, OpenDNS, BTC, or hacking a phone? How could any of those reddit posts be relevant?

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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It depends on the business model. For a high margin business, it might be fine, but for a business that has slim margins, it could significantly reduce the amount of product they can buy over the next quarter, which could make net margins negative.

Even in a high-margin business, and even if the funds may eventually be returned, having funds not suddenly held by surprise can create real problems. These create real distractions, extra entirely unprofitable work that is only to secure what is already due to you. This is not acceptable from a critical infrastructure vendor. That anyone is willing to reveal just how obtuse they are by attempting to justify it is as…

I was specifically responding to the question of whether or not "if you can't tolerate a loss of 3k, isn't your business practically doomed?"

To which the answer is "It depends on the business." These things also don't happen in isolation; most small businesses will be able to survive $3k frozen for a quarter on a good day, but even well-run small businesses have bad days.

Re: TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

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There's someone else down thread here who says that they've had the call/email greyed out on their Stripe account as well. > Stripe somehow has some logic that disables it specifically for that person I'm not sure why you wrote this as if it'd be a grand technical challenge to implement. Locking-out specific features based on X criteria is pretty damn common. I don't particularly care in any case, I just had the impr…

> I'm not sure why you wrote this as if it'd be a grand technical challenge to implement. No, I meant that as literally "somehow" as in "has some logic to"... no implication of difficulty. But I can see how that may sound that way. > Well, from my vantage point I see 2 people claiming it gets greyed out and 1 person (you) claiming it doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 3 people is not a large sample size. I did notice an issue where…

>Maybe there is another more severe level of lock that does gray it out.

FWIW I asked upthread to a Stripe person, and they do apparently grey out the support/call buttons in certain situations.

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