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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by tomc1985 »

threeseed wrote: post #291
tomc1985 wrote: post #243

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There's an army of users out there accustomed to and just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting. Are they as sexy as the bajillion TikTok users out there? No. Are they enough to build a solid business aruond? Yes. Would facebook ever consider stepping up to the plate that built their core business again? No, because Facebook management sucks. I don't give a shit about algorithmic recommendations…

> just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting People keep saying this is what people want. Show me the numbers that it's true. Because when Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, Youtube etc. all move to this model and stick with it the evidence is clear that it's not want people want.

So what? Let them have TikTok.

The evidence may be clear, but it is also driven by tech that is increasingly effective at pressing our dopamine buttons. I'm not sure that the opinions of a drug-addled constituency are important for the far more simple question of, "is there a sustainable business here?"

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by tomc1985 »

threeseed wrote: post #468
feanaro wrote: post #325

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Did you ignore the OP's long tail mention on purpose? It may very well be not the majority wants, so we cannot be talking about wishes of any singular "people". And for this reason, this strategy may no be suitable for "growth". But as a solid, sustainable profit source? Are you claiming that only a marginal number of people want this, or what?

Facebook's ARPU and overall revenue has been continuing to increase even last quarter. So clearly they know a little bit about what is a solid, sustainable profit source.

> So clearly they know a little bit about what is a solid, sustainable profit source.

It is more than a "solid, sustainable" profit source, it is a best-in-class cash cow that feeds a growing monstrosity for shareholders that want more, more, more.

The business they left behind is still sustainable.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by 6t6t6t6 »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Facebook cares about their customers, which are the companies that want to use its AD network.

Users are not customers.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Falkon1313 »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #168
robswc wrote: post #77

I know it sounds dumb but its hard to say we haven't moved closer to what only ~10 years ago we considered a "playful exaggeration" on the worst of humans and social media. In WallE, everyone is floating around in chairs having their content spoon-fed to them with a generous amount of ads mixed in. If you've ever scrolled or seen someone scroll, its kinda close. Just mindlessly moving their thumb up and down, taking…

I like the comparison with Wall-E, but I'm not sure TikTok is worse than watching/zapping television for an hour (regarding your 10% of last hour question). That's what a couple of generations of adults has been doing with their evenings already. Also, your 15 minutes timer seems like a good idea! I should try that.

I don't know. An hour of TV is one drama show, or two sitcoms, or half to two-thirds of a movie. Complete with setting, plot, character development, story arcs, and some drama and/or comedy. Chances are I'll remember more than 10% of that. Especially since I don't usually watch more than that in a day.

Tiktok, reels, stories, etc., on the other hand, are just like watching a constant barrage of seconds-long commercials, often even shorter than traditional TV commercials were. And without the catchy jingles that stick in your head for years. Of course they'll be less than 10% memorable.

It seems strange to me that for so many years people complained about commercials, hated them, paid extra to watch shows without commercials, etc. And now it's the hot new popular trendy thing for people to watch them for hours on end?

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Post by ekianjo »

mulmen wrote: post #670
ekianjo wrote: post #667

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> Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat? You put informants to know what's happening. They knew they did not carry weapons (only very few did). > The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim. Oh yeah? When was the country taken over by a small group of people in the past? > There absolutely was a risk (of a coup d'etat) Please explain me how things would have turned after more tha…

> Please explain me how things would have turned after more than a day, and how the country would have been run by a bunch of guys with viking hats with 300 million other people not doing anything about it. The United States of America has a very real and very well understood domestic terrorism problem. These are not all cartoon characters wearing dumb costumes. I mentioned Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma city. In cas…

> An event like taking over a state or national capitol or especially a military response to such a takeover could easily trigger a revolution.

Again I fail to see how occupying a building ends up being a take-over. Even if someone captures the White House, it does not make them the president of the US unless everyone else agrees with it.

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Post by NonNefarious »

kortilla wrote: post #664
NonNefarious wrote: post #444

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"This" stereotype?

People who use the phrase “red-state cousin-humpers” are generally pretty stupid, but I’ll go ahead and try to explain it. The context of this discussion was large populations that might sustain a social network. Implying that people who engage in incest in states that have a majority of Republican voters in recent elections would be a large enough population to sustain a social network is obviously laughable in the…

Your comments reveal that YOU'RE a bigot, in addition to not even being the initial bigot.

However, when it comes to cousin-humping, I'm going to double down on the assertion that red states win the contest. And hey, it turns out that I'm not the only one: https://www.thefreemanonline.org/what-state-has-the-most-inc...

In case you're too lazy to click, here are the top 20: Kentucky, Maine, Delaware, Virginia, Maryland, Washington, Georgia, Oregon, Indiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, West Virginia, Montana, Alabama, and South Dakota.

OWNED.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by kayxspre »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #648

The hacks I've done to make facebook kind of useful - Turn on every privacy setting they have available and "serve me up generic ads only" - Unfollow EVERTYTHING and EVERYONE, cut your friends list down too, or click on the "follow" only of your real most frequent friends of concern except your core groups of interest, pare it down to less than 20-30, and more so if your groups are active. - Turn off active status ex…

I used to do this to keep my feed concise, only showing posts my friends interacted with (I don't follow any pages), but recently it has become more or less useless. Facebook decided that it wanted to show content that might catch interests by throwing it under the header "Suggested for you". Some time before that, I can simply dismiss it and it won't show again for some time, but right now it showed every day, and I can't dismiss it at all. The most "suggested" page in my feed right now is a fan page of One Piece's author, which posted memes or content related to the manga despite I not showing interest in it, and I can't make it perish.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

janfoeh wrote: post #560
4ggr0 wrote: post #487

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> Made for you MFY has been around at Macca's for a long, long time. It's not a recent change. Don't know where you're from, but you gotta remember that Macca's is not quite the same all around the world. In Europe as an example, you can notice clear differences between the different countries Macca's. So even though MFY exists for a long time where you live, it's very well possible that the other persons local Macca…

That's the thing, yeah. In Germany, this changeover started just a few years ago, and it has only been dominant for around two. About the regional differences - I remember visiting an Amsterdam restaurant in the mid-2000s that still served the food in styrofoam trays, many years after those had been phased out in Germany. And being able to pump my own ketchup and mayo into little waffle cups in another one in Denmark…

> In Germany, this changeover started just a few years ago

In Switzerland as well, yes. And I can't remember which burgers or items it were, but I remember seeing items in a german McDonalds which I've never seen in Switzerland.

In Italy you can order a couple of different beers, even from self-service terminals. In Switzerland I remember them only being available when ordering at the counter, and they only offer one kind of beer. Not that I care about beer at McD, just something I noticed.

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Post by pw201 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #606
nonrandomstring wrote: post #477

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> one day they will simply slink away in the middle of the night leaving several thousand mine workers unemployed and holding the bag. When that day comes, the moment Facebook and Meta are declared dead I will go out, order the most expensive bottle of champagne, and celebrate all night. Future generations of an advanced technological society will look back in horror and disbelief that a small cadre of privateers wer…

The problem is not Facebook or Meta. The problem is the disgusting business model of targeted advertising coupled with algorithmic curation of content to increase ad impressions. Facebook happens (happened?) to play that game perfectly but it's not limited to them by any means and another player will just take its place if Meta dies. I'll keep my bottle of champagne for the day targeted advertising is regulated away,…

That's not how Section 230 works: it's explicitly designed so that some editing does not open you to full liability for user provided content (but it's common to think it does the opposite). https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/04/no-section-230-does-no... explains.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mulmen »

ekianjo wrote: post #675
mulmen wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please explain me how things would have turned after more than a day, and how the country would have been run by a bunch of guys with viking hats with 300 million other people not doing anything about it. The United States of America has a very real and very well understood domestic terrorism problem. These are not all cartoon characters wearing dumb costumes. I mentioned Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma city. In cas…

> An event like taking over a state or national capitol or especially a military response to such a takeover could easily trigger a revolution. Again I fail to see how occupying a building ends up being a take-over. Even if someone captures the White House, it does not make them the president of the US unless everyone else agrees with it.

As I have exhaustively explained it isn't just occupying a building. It's about the people who are inside that building. In this case congress and the vice president.

There's also an element of symbolism that could embolden similar groups to take over other seats of power.

This isn't about taking over the US Government as it is currently. It is an existential threat to the current paradigm. There's no natural law that says the US must be a federal democratic republic. It could easily be a military dictatorship.

This is all elementary revolutionary stuff.

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