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Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by hestefisk »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #355
zerocrates wrote: post #329

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I noticed the last time I went to a McDonalds a huge sign on the door advertising that they're on DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc., basically saying "don't come here!"

Really short term thinking if that's true. DoorDash/UberEats might not be around forever. Its also not clear whether people will order the same amounts if an actual recession rolls around. By prioritizing DoorDash over in-store customers, you're just destroying your long-term value prop and brand.

What if 80% of your revenue base comes from food delivery services?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by roody15 »

So this is my own conspiracy rabbit hole…

I get the impression all of these sites that use quick 10-15 second video clips followed by screenshots of a tweet or quote are a dystopian method of controlling human behavior.

It seems like a way to implant a thought or feeling and minimize critical thinking.

In the past social media sites reddit / facebook had great comment sections and links to actual articles. Although this still exists (to some extent and on niche subreddits for example) it seems to be rapidly changing to screenshot of a tweet, or quote or a short video clip. Followed by one line responses or even just a single emoji.

For example you will see a quote from politician x … as a screenshot …. ughh that makes me so mad!!! But little context is provided about the quote, when it was said, was it actually said and is the the expanded text available to help understand.

Nope it’s .. just a quick emotion that makes me mad!!… followed by scroll to cat video #532

Watching people sitting at parks, waiting for a bus, waiting at a restaurant … lots of the same … scroll scroll … giggle giggle… go political team A they are saving world … ugghh political team B is so bad and makes me mad they hate everyone … scroll .. scrolll .. did you know if you eat Kale you live forever … scroll … scroll

Just something really off putting about this experience IMO. Seems very shallow / minimal thinking …

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by xwowsersx »

kinghtown wrote: post #373
xwowsersx wrote: post #257

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Not everything we desire is good for us. Also, there is a need? How so?

I used to be a DJ for a few years and Facebook was useful for organizing and promoting my parties. I’m not interested in getting into a semantic debate if such a need is necessary or good for society, but it was useful for me and many people did want to go to my parties. This is a modest example. Also, people are artists or learning. It’s nice to have a simple and organized way to save your public work online to shar…

Sure, I'm not arguing there aren't genuinely beneficial uses of FB, et al. I was responding to:

> there is a desire or even need to have robust and interactive options in our communication devices for keeping in touch with all the people we know in a more inclusive and less active

OP seems to take this as axiomatic. I'm not so sure.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

danrl wrote: post #169

This Axios „article“ is the written version of a TikTok session, in an ironic turn of events. The bite sized information and the excessive use of bullet points is designed to keep readers engaged in a world driven by ultra short attention spans. I bemoan the lack of a well researched, deep article around this latest pivot of Facebook.

I mean, this style of writing is actually very old. It's just a thing. Have you ever read Marx's Theses on Feuerbach, for example? Similar brief and punctuated style. Written in 1845.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/thes...

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Post by rightbyte »

permo-w wrote: post #404
rightbyte wrote: post #385

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Interesting take. Me and my friends also moved to group chats. Probably unconsciously to avoid the intrusion. I guess FB overextended by invading out feeds with ads and "recommendations" rather than gossip about friends.

I think "recommendations" are polarising rather than exclusively a (business) mistake. some people, like me, you and probably most of HN, see them as an intrusive waste of time and go out of their way to avoid them; however, I would imagine there is a very large slice of society that doesn't actively moderate how they spend their free time, or really question the things they're presented with online, to whom "recomme…

Recommendation feed engines probably gives encouraging numbers in the beginning, until the users realize that they are fed BS clickbait instead of baby pictures and other gossip.

While I am quite sure some are hooked on the feed, the core of Facebook (friend gossip) is gone.

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Post by pixl97 »

echelon wrote: post #227
prawn wrote: post #214

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It's been an interesting path. It went from the early days where you'd post just about anything, then people tightened up on what felt "good enough" and some of the charm was lost. I got the sense that people became more anxious about what reached that "good enough" mark. A friend who was making a living from putting up Instagram content just abruptly started turning down money and stopped posting. No one should be f…

> No one should be fretting about sharing content because they worry about how their grid looks - it's idiotic. Pre-social media, nobody shared pictures of food. I don't think we're self-censoring, I think we're returning to normal .

Pre-social media I didn't have any easy way too share pictures of food, and I generally mean high quality digital photography in a timely fashion.

I share food pics with family all the time these days because technology allows me too. Didn't work back in the 320px resolution days.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

Idiotfucker wrote: post #459
dreamcompiler wrote: post #413

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I'm no advertising expert but IIRC marketers tend to like the younger demographic because even though older folks have more money they also are wise enough not to spend it on stupid shit they don't need. Unless you're selling a new kind of golf putter or a very expensive prescription medicine for high blood pressure. Then you want the oldsters.

I mean, the big bucks in advertising are coing from established companies anyway right?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ad from an established company on Facebook. It’s always fly by night junk or scams.

Occasionally I find myself having lunch someplace that has daytime tv on. That’s where I see the ads for pharmaceuticals and insurance.

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Post by zaphar »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #515
userlandmax wrote: post #498

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I suppose the technological implementation of a sort of “bad faith” ethos is the cat, here. And as tends to happen with that sort of degradation of values, other organizations pick up the technique since the bar is lowered. That’s my 2 cents anyway.

> technological implementation of a sort of "bad faith" ethos Indeed, that's what the parent commenter said. What I do is look at all those historical "slippery slopes of bad faith" that didn't survive, and ask "Why not?". What changed in society and stopped that? Child labour was set to explode in the industrial revolution. Kids as young as 7 or 8 worked in factories. At the time it would have been reasonable to ext…

You are looking at the last 200 to 300 years and extrapolating. I think however that if you expand the horizon to several thousand years what you see is a very different cycle. A cycle where progress is made over a few hundred years and then is all lost. Every time progress is made everyone thinks, this time is different and then they are wrong.

There are substantive differences to this time around. We had a technological explosion for one which meant in terms of technology we jumped much farther forward than we had before. However the same cultural and civil failings are still there and still proceeding in much the same cycle.

I don't think Social Media is evil per-se. I do think that it is an extremely effective Mob amplifier. We used to have mobs form at a local level and their effects rarely managed to expand to a national level. Now we get global mobs via social media. Mob's have been around forever in human society.

They are rarely rational. Even when they are motivated by real problems they often tear down or destroy as much or more of the good as they do the bad. They tend to be indiscriminate and I don't think we are really prepared for the types of Mobs that Social Media enables. Maybe we'll be able to name this for what it is and find a counter to it. But I haven't seen any effective attempts to name the phenomena for what is. Instead I just see yet another Mob forming with a complaint about how companies are getting away with exploiting people. In this case I think it's less exploitation and more just amplification, intended or otherwise.

How do you limit the amplification without limiting free speech?

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Post by janfoeh »

4ggr0 wrote: post #487
fennecfoxy wrote: post #461

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Made for you MFY has been around at Macca's for a long, long time. It's not a recent change. It was around long before all of the delivery service apps, and before smartphones were a huge thing, even.

> Made for you MFY has been around at Macca's for a long, long time. It's not a recent change. Don't know where you're from, but you gotta remember that Macca's is not quite the same all around the world. In Europe as an example, you can notice clear differences between the different countries Macca's. So even though MFY exists for a long time where you live, it's very well possible that the other persons local Macca…

That's the thing, yeah. In Germany, this changeover started just a few years ago, and it has only been dominant for around two.

About the regional differences - I remember visiting an Amsterdam restaurant in the mid-2000s that still served the food in styrofoam trays, many years after those had been phased out in Germany. And being able to pump my own ketchup and mayo into little waffle cups in another one in Denmark. There are quite a few regional differences.

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