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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by starfallg »

datavirtue wrote: post #521
hackernewds wrote: post #438

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Curious why you think it is inevitable? The convenience of having the whole city available for delivery for consumers, and for restaurants to have access to a broad base of on-demand drivers and these customers, seems like an intractable modern day invention.

It's not. This was working in Columbus Ohio since at least the 1990s...and probably elsewhere and for longer. Just didn't have an app.

The issue isn't the delivery, we've always had local food delivery and it's a subsidised bundled service to sell the main product. The issue is whether they can run a tech company off the margins of delivery, where they take the risk setting the physical infrastructure to do delivery, but have little to no control over the actual restaurants providing the products.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by alsetmusic »

trinsic2 wrote: post #629
Nextgrid wrote: post #606

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The problem is not Facebook or Meta. The problem is the disgusting business model of targeted advertising coupled with algorithmic curation of content to increase ad impressions. Facebook happens (happened?) to play that game perfectly but it's not limited to them by any means and another player will just take its place if Meta dies. I'll keep my bottle of champagne for the day targeted advertising is regulated away,…

Its funny how little attention your post got. I consider it the most important take on this subject. This is not about Facebook. It's about a corrupt and destructive business model that reflects the insane world we live in today. When that model goes away, it will reflect on other models that revolve around deceptive business practices. So more to the point, when ethics becomes an integral point of doing business, Th…

> when ethics becomes an integral point of doing business, Then I will celebrate the real achievement of our time.

This has rarely been a priority in capitalism.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mrcartmeneses »

tomlin wrote: post #96
mrcartmeneses wrote: post #47

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Creole, such as Jamaican, are languages that exist - and discounting them is the actual racism. This post isn't even about race, or even a group of people. Take a rest. You realize I was calling the practice of ignoring facts and bullshitting people "bullshit", right? How is this hard to follow? Next time instead of reacting, try humanity. Creole languages aren't even predominantly non-white. Feels like projection of…

In the above context it seemed to be used as a derogatory term. Perhaps the more neutral “jargon” would have been less loaded and more accurate, since marketing jargon is not, in-fact, a creole

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by kortilla »

NonNefarious wrote: post #444
laszlojamf wrote: post #341

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It still surprises me how perpetuating this stereotype of rural poor conservatives is A-OK.

"This" stereotype?

People who use the phrase “red-state cousin-humpers” are generally pretty stupid, but I’ll go ahead and try to explain it.

The context of this discussion was large populations that might sustain a social network. Implying that people who engage in incest in states that have a majority of Republican voters in recent elections would be a large enough population to sustain a social network is obviously laughable in the literal sense (incest rates are minuscule). So that leaves the implication that a much larger population of “cousin-humpers” does exist and the association with “red-state” implies that cousin humping correlates with political views.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mulmen »

ekianjo wrote: post #626
rswail wrote: post #406

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By the force of their numbers occupying the seat of government and forcing the elected representatives and the chain of government (VP, Speaker, President of Senate) to be isolated. No one knew whether or not the rioters were armed or not. Therefore, the assumption had to be that they were, or that there were those that were hidden in the crowd. Until they were cleared from the Capitol buildings, they controlled the…

> No one knew whether or not the rioters were armed or not Ever heard of secret services? Even the FBI has admitted they had undercover agents among the participants. > they controlled the electoral process and disabled the counting of the electoral college votes So what? It would never have lasted more than a day until security or the army took over. There was no risk at all of a coup d'etat or something.

> Ever heard of secret services? Even the FBI has admitted they had undercover agents among the participants.

Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat?

> So what? It would never have lasted more than a day until security or the army took over.

The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim.

> There was no risk at all of a coup d'etat or something.

The military was deliberately held back from responding. There absolutely was a risk and this is exactly how such an attempt would look.

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Post by Thorentis »

frutiger wrote: post #583
Thorentis wrote: post #456

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> A closed, private space that admits no outsiders, marketers, or clout chasers, but strongly discourages developing relationships with new people or expanding one's horizons. Sounds wonderful. This is how the vast majority of humans have experienced socialising for the vast majority of human history. And they were happier for it.

Maybe a social network where you can only have (or follow) a maximum of 30 (or similar) people?

I think a social network that combines something like Discord and old Facebook timelines would be interesting. Basically group chats would become first class citizens, and the platform should help you discover group chats that your friends are in. That was the missing piece from Facebook messenger group chats. They tried to introduce "Rooms" but it failed since other platforms had already taken over that space. Maybe it is still too late.

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Post by ekianjo »

mulmen wrote: post #665
ekianjo wrote: post #626

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> No one knew whether or not the rioters were armed or not Ever heard of secret services? Even the FBI has admitted they had undercover agents among the participants. > they controlled the electoral process and disabled the counting of the electoral college votes So what? It would never have lasted more than a day until security or the army took over. There was no risk at all of a coup d'etat or something.

> Ever heard of secret services? Even the FBI has admitted they had undercover agents among the participants. Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat? > So what? It would never have lasted more than a day until security or the army took over. The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim. > There was no risk at all of a coup d'etat or something. The military was deliberately held bac…

> Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat?

You put informants to know what's happening. They knew they did not carry weapons (only very few did).

> The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim.

Oh yeah? When was the country taken over by a small group of people in the past?

> There absolutely was a risk (of a coup d'etat)

Please explain me how things would have turned after more than a day, and how the country would have been run by a bunch of guys with viking hats with 300 million other people not doing anything about it.

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Post by ekianjo »

mulmen wrote: post #660
ekianjo wrote: post #627

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You don't control a country by controlling a single building. And worst case, you send the military and the crisis is over in a few hours. If you believe that this was an insurrection, that was the most peaceful insurrection ever in History.

> You don't control a country by controlling a single building. This isn't some random building, it's literally the Capitol , with Congress in attendance. This was also not an isolated incident. In 2020 Ammon Bundy of Malheur standoff fame led an armed mob which forced its way past the State Patrol into a session of the Idaho State House of Representatives. After occupying the gallery above the House they were "allow…

> killing them and claiming power.

Even if that did happen, that would not be enough to take over the country. You'd elect new representatives after the crisis. A small group of people would never be able to resist the power of the US Military for very long.

> A woman was killed by the Secret Service after breaching a barricade in pursuit of the Vice President. Members of the mob used chemical weapons on police. Call it whatever you want but it wasn't peaceful and it wasn't innocent.

"Most peaceful" does not mean there were no incidents. In the history of actual insurrections, that was the most peaceful one ever, if you even consider it one. Insurrections cause massive death of civilians and police/authorities, and this was clearly not it.

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Post by mulmen »

ekianjo wrote: post #668
mulmen wrote: post #660

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> You don't control a country by controlling a single building. This isn't some random building, it's literally the Capitol , with Congress in attendance. This was also not an isolated incident. In 2020 Ammon Bundy of Malheur standoff fame led an armed mob which forced its way past the State Patrol into a session of the Idaho State House of Representatives. After occupying the gallery above the House they were "allow…

> killing them and claiming power. Even if that did happen, that would not be enough to take over the country. You'd elect new representatives after the crisis. A small group of people would never be able to resist the power of the US Military for very long. > A woman was killed by the Secret Service after breaching a barricade in pursuit of the Vice President. Members of the mob used chemical weapons on police. Call…

> Even if that did happen, that would not be enough to take over the country.

That assumes the next system is a democracy. Since the mob had been convinced election results were not trustworthy I see no reason that would be a requirement.

> A small group of people would never be able to resist the power of the US Military for very long.

How do you think that plays out? Is the capitol building even serviceable at that point? How many people die? I very clearly explained that this is more than a small group, and how escalation plays out.

> "Most peaceful" does not mean there were no incidents. In the history of actual insurrections, that was the most peaceful one ever, if you even consider it one. Insurrections cause massive death of civilians and police/authorities, and this was clearly not it.

You are the only person using the word “insurrection”.

My assertion is that the reason we didn’t see a bigger body count as a result of January 6th is that the mob failed. The potential was absolutely there and success was worryingly close.

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Post by mulmen »

ekianjo wrote: post #667
mulmen wrote: post #665

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> Ever heard of secret services? Even the FBI has admitted they had undercover agents among the participants. Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat? > So what? It would never have lasted more than a day until security or the army took over. The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim. > There was no risk at all of a coup d'etat or something. The military was deliberately held bac…

> Ok so then they were considered to be a legitimate threat? You put informants to know what's happening. They knew they did not carry weapons (only very few did). > The history of domestic standoffs does not support this claim. Oh yeah? When was the country taken over by a small group of people in the past? > There absolutely was a risk (of a coup d'etat) Please explain me how things would have turned after more tha…

> Please explain me how things would have turned after more than a day, and how the country would have been run by a bunch of guys with viking hats with 300 million other people not doing anything about it.

The United States of America has a very real and very well understood domestic terrorism problem. These are not all cartoon characters wearing dumb costumes.

I mentioned Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma city. In case you are unaware Ruby Ride and Waco were both standoffs between the Federal Government and anti-government groups they went sideways and innocent people died. This motivated two men to build a bomb in a truck and blow up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people. This was in 1995.

Ruby Ridge and Waco are often cited in militia circles as examples of why our government can’t be trusted.

More recently than Oklahoma City there was the Malheur standoff where some tax dodgers occupied a federal building for 40 days. In the end one of them was killed resisting arrest. The leader in that standoff was Ammon Bundy, who has also led other standoffs and the armed mob I mentioned in the Idaho Capitol building.

There is a delicate peace between the US and these terrorists. An event like taking over a state or national capitol or especially a military response to such a takeover could easily trigger a revolution.

You don’t appear to be an American. I encourage you to look into the domestic militia movement. Especially post-Oklahoma City. This is a very real threat.

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