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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by laszlojamf »

NonNefarious wrote: post #317
kortilla wrote: post #298

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True, but despite MySpace once being dominant, it’s peak scale was a tiny fraction of where Facebook is now. MySpace was popular for some specific English speaking age groups mainly. Facebook is basically everywhere but China. My parents who still refer to Google Maps as Mapquest are even on Facebook. It will take a pretty big screwup to flush out those types of users (not early adopters).

Your parents are the only ones left on Facebook. As long as that demographic can sustain it, so be it. But nobody under 70 is going to be on there much longer. Actually, red-state cousin-humpers might still be on there a while longer. They have no place else to go, after Trump's predictably shambolic attempt at creating a competitor.

It still surprises me how perpetuating this stereotype of rural poor conservatives is A-OK.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by paganel »

owlninja wrote: post #136
grog454 wrote: post #113

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> People were on facebook for the features facebook had. People were on Facebook for the people that were on Facebook.

Anecdotally I quit Facebook in 2016 but of my friends and family that still use it, I would say most simply use it for marketplace. They may still view the updates that people still post to see what's going on but it doesn't seem to be near as about keeping in touch (I'm in the US).

Some of the private groups are still pretty good, it's what the web should have been, could have been, if a better commenting system had been in place and if we had had a better aggregator.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by nrdvana »

grog454 wrote: post #113
mysterydip wrote: post #29

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I don't think it's what people want, per se. I think it's what some metrics say people want. Might be good for "engagement", but bad for retention in the long term. People were on facebook for the features facebook had.

> People were on facebook for the features facebook had. People were on Facebook for the people that were on Facebook.

And they were on Facebook instead of MySpace because Facebook worked better for sharing news snippets. Then facebook changes to the "most interacted-with posts", then politics took a dump on everypne's sharing from about 2015 onward, then facebook changed to a bunch of spammy videos from "content creators", and most of everyone gave up and left.

I lost track of the number of people saying (myself included) "Give me all my friends posts, in chronological order", and facebook just ignored us and slowly removed the ability to do anything close to that.

Ironic how Google tried Google+ and failed because Facebook had all the users and content. If Google had just shelved theirs as-is for 10 years and pulled it back out now, people would flock to it because it would actually be a feed of your friends/family posts in chronological order, with user-customized filtering, again.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by happymellon »

NonNefarious wrote: post #316
cft wrote: post #277

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Even though the original product is dead, they bought WhatsApp and Instagram, which are far from dead

Instagram is moribund. People's accounts are being stolen left and right, users' feeds are full of unasked-for shit, and "stories" are an absolute mess. Facebook and its properties are dead. Good riddance. TikTok is next, of course. Just ask Vine.

I see that they have raised the price of the Oculous Rift.

Daft move unless it isn't sustainable or they want to phase it out.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by alx__ »

xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

For me, a large majority of my friend/family updates come through group chats.

I have 4 large (10+) groups that are friend groupings from different interest areas. Which use iMessage/WhatsApp/Signal

1 huge one for a group of concert/rave friends on Signal

3 overlapping groups of various family-relatives using iMessage/WhatsApp

I don't even need to open FB/IG anymore. Bye Felica

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by rightbyte »

zdkl wrote: post #336
atq2119 wrote: post #300

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> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You're confusing users with customers. The customers are advertisers. The users overwhelmingly aren't.

Well, the only active users I see anymore are engaged in advertising even if not necessarily for profit. (Self) Promotion always was one of the draws of fb.

Really? I have not used FB in like 5 years. One of the things it had for it compared to Instagram and Twitter is how it was not celeb or micro-celeb oriented.

Has that changed?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mjhagen »

karmasimida wrote: post #195
groffee wrote: post #35

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Facebook is dying, but not because of TikTok. Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. It doesn't help that their core code is a steaming pile of bloated dung that doesn't seem to be tested by anyone…

> (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. I don't think so. TikTok is vastly more addictive and fresh in its content. How much content can your circle creating in a day? No more than 20 posts I would say? If facebook stays being facebook, they will die anyway. Problem in facebook right now, there isn't enough people to i…

> Problem in facebook right now, there isn't enough people to interact with

FB took care of that by removing the chronological time line. As soon as it went away from a time line of things that happened to the people I love into a addiction stimulating ever refreshing list of flashing images it took away the interactivity. It became more of a consumption site place and they're leaning heavily into that (with Instagram too). This then means that content creation is moving from users you know to professionals (people playing the algorithm).

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by happymellon »

jallen_dot_dev wrote: post #23
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Sounds awful, but it could be worse. At least the Facebook-managed McDonald's is trying to chase after what most people seem to want. A Google-managed McDonald's would just shut down, even though everyone loves McDonald's, because somebody at Google figured starting a new fast food chain is the best path to a promotion.

You missed out how Google would also take your order but when you get to the window there is just a piece of paper stuck to the glass telling you:

There was something wrong with your order. Please do not try again as we will ban you.

They will also lock you out of your car.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by nrdvana »

threeseed wrote: post #97
groffee wrote: post #35

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Facebook is dying, but not because of TikTok. Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. It doesn't help that their core code is a steaming pile of bloated dung that doesn't seem to be tested by anyone…

> Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook a) No evidence they are dying. All we have is a single quarter's result i.e. statistically meaningless. b) No evidence that staying true to the original Facebook is the best strategy. Unquestionably, Stories has been a popular feature in both Instagram and Facebook ecosystems and perhaps certain features from TikTok will be the same. But there is plenty of evide…

I used to see posts from 50-100 friends/family each week. Now I see posts from about 5 of them. I barely use facebook because it crashes my iPad browser (I refuse to install the app) and because the feed is so packed full of autoplay videos I can't stand it. Facebook is "dying" for myself and my entire sphere of friends/family but of course that's just an anecdote.
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