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Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by dgfitz »

rob_c wrote: post #26
adolph wrote: post #14

They still don't have anything. Streetlight effect at its finest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect However, we do not have access to the precise latitude and longitude coordinates of all these cases. Should such data exist, they may be accompanied by additional metadata, some of which we have reconstructed, but some of which, including the date of onset of each case, would be valuable for ongoing stud…

Don't worry adolph we still need to pretend that this is the leading cause of death in the world and that economic recession will not responsible for 10-100x this based on historical evidence. Frankly turning this on it's head, Russia should be applauded for pushing so many people toward green, renewable and truely economically viable energy sources, I nominate putin for the nobel peace prize based on his efforts her…

> I nominate putin for the nobel peace prize based on his efforts here.

You're implying intent on his part. If any single person in the world would want renewables to never exist, it would be him. I also am aghast that you would feel this way about a man destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. The man is evil.

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Post by HPsquared »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #62
anon23anon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?

They grow garlic with sewer water and the air is polluted because they're cranking out everything the world buys in suicide netted factories. China is a developing country, do you think government officials are going to go all around regulating wild life markets along with every other threat? They have the environmental and mental health concern of 1960's America.

1960s America led to 1970s America, which had a lot more concern for the environment. It's inevitable that as problems accumulate, people affected by them will want to do something about it.

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Post by pid_0 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #59

I'll never believe that this wasn't leaked from the Wuhan virology lab. There was way too much done to suppress any coverage and the people involved in the investigation had conflicts of interest since they were the ones who funded the lab. All the behavior from China was extremely guilty. It seems naive to believe that this came from a seafood market.

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Post by pipeline_peak »

HPsquared wrote: post #72
pipeline_peak wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They grow garlic with sewer water and the air is polluted because they're cranking out everything the world buys in suicide netted factories. China is a developing country, do you think government officials are going to go all around regulating wild life markets along with every other threat? They have the environmental and mental health concern of 1960's America.

1960s America led to 1970s America, which had a lot more concern for the environment. It's inevitable that as problems accumulate, people affected by them will want to do something about it.

1970's America wasn't anywhere near as poverty struck as China. It's really difficult to care about the world around you when you can't even take care at home.

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Post by mikeyouse »

tootallgavin wrote: post #67
mikeyouse wrote: post #39

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I like how in their minds, changing the copy on a website is "changing the definition of a vaccine" and some deep dark conspiracy theory as if it's some binding legal framework and not a public comms platform.

Slightly off topic. But what do you think of the "definition of recession"[1] debacle that is currently going on? Do you think this is similar to "changing the definition of a vaccine" that you mentioned? [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+recession&sour...

I haven't followed it closely - but it does seem pretty similar. It's not like anything is 'triggered' when a recession is declared. And it's not like the economy is meaningfully better if you had quarterly growth of [-1%, -0.1%] vs. [-1.2%, 0.1%] -- even though by the two quarters rule, the first would be a recession and the second wouldn't.

It looks like NBER's definition of how they declare recessions has remained consistent, so I'd defer to them:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210103093754/https://www.nber....

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Post by sudosysgen »

siva7 wrote: post #32
rr888 wrote: post #23

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> how did the virus get to the live market? My guess is that someone was selling animals from the lab that were supposed to be destroyed.

That’s an interesting theory and i suppose not even that far fetched

It is far fetched. Labs typically engage in destructive testing of their animals.

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Post by LatteLazy »

It's been fascinating and terrifying watching people (in general and on here) jump to answers that are nice but wrong (China did it on purpose, You can cure it with X, it's just the flu, etc) over the last few years. We will never know for certain what happened.

It's honestly killed me support for democracy. 95% of people seem to be incapable of thinking about uncertainty and living with not knowing. They just jump headlong into whatever looks good. Facts and reason are just justifications for things their prejudices already decided.

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Post by systemvoltage »

mikeyouse wrote: post #28
WaxProlix wrote: post #24

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> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?

Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.

OTOH, complete submission to scientific sources without checking the details seems exactly opposite of how science should work.

HN is probably overly scientific in this sense.

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Post by upupandup »

LinuxBender wrote: post #68
ejb999 wrote: post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

Hypothetically speaking, if it were a lab-leak and if it were a malicious lab tech or an that was mad at the world or compromised by a political actor, they could have dumped/micronize sprayed a vial [1] into the food market which would make the statement not entirely false. This is of course a lazy theory and would be nearly impossible to test out. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrWmPMZGiY [video, gets NSFW…

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Post by fakethenews2022 »

flybrand wrote: post #41

The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions. Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives. https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid...

No it doesn't lead to different conclusions. The lower right one is where the bat experiments were conducted rather than the one in the middle. That is far from the epicenter.

If people would actually read and digest the article before spewing out their own biases, then you would see that the article addressed this very contention.

The article pointed out several facts. One was that there were two strains already. Having that come from the virology institute doesn't make sense. It makes more sense if the virus was spreading and mutating amongst the animals in the market.

Second, is charting the concentration of early spread. Again, the market was the epicenter.

Third is looking more closely at that and seeing this same epicenter pattern in a specific part of the market. This again points to the market being the epicenter.

Fourth, there is no such pattern of infection around the virology institute that was conducting the bat virus research.

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