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Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by CaptWillard »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #7
dtx1 wrote: post #6

I don't believe this to be true. I consider the likelyhood that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the cause of this to be much higher than that the seafood market in wuhan was the cause and there's no reason to trust any media or NGO to be truthful in that regard.

The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).

A very good point, which is sadly absent from most of the public discussion.

Having said that, a case could be made that this (lab leak via market) is a distinction without a difference.

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Post by siva7 »

rr888 wrote: post #23
Khelavaster wrote: post #2

This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…

> how did the virus get to the live market? My guess is that someone was selling animals from the lab that were supposed to be destroyed.

That’s an interesting theory and i suppose not even that far fetched

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Post by anon23anon »

Khelavaster wrote: post #2

This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…

Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by mikeyouse »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #7
dtx1 wrote: post #6

I don't believe this to be true. I consider the likelyhood that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the cause of this to be much higher than that the seafood market in wuhan was the cause and there's no reason to trust any media or NGO to be truthful in that regard.

The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).

It's transparently obvious that the Market was first place where it began to spread in humans - so "neither" isn't an option. The Market was unequivocally involved.

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Post by phreeza »

dangom wrote: post #13

Conspiracy theories aside, Worebey's Science paper is not unanimously well received by the scientific community, and the data analysis was shown to be partly flawed. Here's a discussion on inference pointing to references and sources that argue against the results of the paper: https://inference-review.com/article/thunder-out-of-china It also raises eyebrows the fact that no animal has ever been found to be positive…

Are you sure COVID has never been documented in animals? I seem to remember reading about cases where entire farm populations of minks were being killed. Perhaps you mean infection from an animal host to human?

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Post by ejb999 »

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

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Post by reglkj45y »

mikeyouse wrote: post #28
WaxProlix wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?

Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.

No post body was provided.

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Post by ravitation »

mikeyouse wrote: post #28
WaxProlix wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?

Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.

This is also not limited to just COVID discussion either. Most things that aren't somehow related to day-to-day software development devolve into unsubstantiated, or ill-informed, "ranting."

It's a source of constant disappointment.

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Post by mikeyouse »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #29
reedjosh wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been. If you're referring to the CDC changing its layperson definition on https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm , its old definition was wrong and didn't include flu vaccines, among many others.

I like how in their minds, changing the copy on a website is "changing the definition of a vaccine" and some deep dark conspiracy theory as if it's some binding legal framework and not a public comms platform.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #16
albatross13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

None of the fines were for data falsification. Now we know not to trust albatross13.

$10 billion - for any reason - is suspect. No one is fined for doing a great job.
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