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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by jokethrowaway »

hackernewds wrote: post #438
starfallg wrote: post #391

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The issues is that until the delivery business model runs into a brick wall (which IMO is inevitable), we'll see this continue. It's hard to blame them because being slow to disruption can be fatal to a business. It's just hard to tell at the beginning which disruptive ideas will end up taking over, and which ones end up as duds.

Curious why you think it is inevitable? The convenience of having the whole city available for delivery for consumers, and for restaurants to have access to a broad base of on-demand drivers and these customers, seems like an intractable modern day invention.

Recession means less money available for a luxury service like delivering your food.

The cost right now is subsidised by VCs to get everyone to switch.

With the incoming recessions VC will spend less money, especially on a business model which doesn't feel novel anymore.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by pezezin »

hestefisk wrote: post #533
gommm wrote: post #448

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In Asia, Line seems to be doing well selling stickers which I guess can be a way to monetize a chat app.

Have you ever used Line? It’s the most privacy-invasive app I’ve used after FB. Constantly asks for access to location, contact book, photos etc. Line is mostly popular in Thailand, outside its very much Telegram and WA.

Line is a Japanese company, and as such it is THE messaging app in Japan, it is absolutely everywhere here.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by jokethrowaway »

datavirtue wrote: post #521
hackernewds wrote: post #438

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Curious why you think it is inevitable? The convenience of having the whole city available for delivery for consumers, and for restaurants to have access to a broad base of on-demand drivers and these customers, seems like an intractable modern day invention.

It's not. This was working in Columbus Ohio since at least the 1990s...and probably elsewhere and for longer. Just didn't have an app.

Individual delivery is different and it's here to stay

A centralised "we pick your food for you"? Unlikely

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by cruano »

noveltyaccount wrote: post #167
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

I have two Instagram accounts. One just for my friends and family. And one for mindless content feed, brands, entertainment, etc. The separation has helped me reduce the mindless scrolling amazingly. I log into my friends and family account and catch up in five minutes per day. I very rarely choose to switch to the other account. Splitting into two accounts has been really healthy for me.

The time thing is the biggest takeaway for me, not only I spend less time overall on Instagram but I also feel way more "productive" (Weird word to use, but you know what I mean) as I actually look at every story from my friends instead of navigating through a bunch of spam from {SPORT} or {CELEBRITY}

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by dmix »

oynqr wrote: post #419
guilamu wrote: post #357

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Then just leave for Telegram which is infinetly better (their native windows client is just incredible compared to the other atrocious electron based chat apps) or even better for Signal which is not as feature rich yet but open source.

Telegram doesn't do e2ee by default, no thanks.

So you can turn it on for your group then?

Signal has an excellent app these days and supports encrypted group chat. But Whatsapp doesnt require convincing people.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by nprateem »

baud147258 wrote: post #386
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> nobody under 30 uses FB any more. well, aren't older eyeballs more valuable anyway? Like more disposable income, maybe more free time for those retired? The mine might be empty some day in the future, but it doesn't seem to be the case right now

Younger people have a longer lifetime value than older ones

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by dmix »

tuukkah wrote: post #278
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #236

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Maybe what someone should do is build a Social Network as a Service. SNaaS. Letting anyone run their own, and turning whatever features they want on or off. You as the service provider take a cut of advertising revenue, or subscription fees, etc.

I believe this exists since 2005, originally founded by Marc Andreessen and Gina Bianchini: https://ning.com/

That massive cookie banner is really terrible. What were they thinking?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

anhner wrote: post #510
intrasight wrote: post #507

I am very surprised that there are nearly 500 comments on this item and none mentioned VR. VR is the uncharted territory of social media. Facebook has a head-start but TikTok is also investing billions and will catch up. Just as desktops are legacy, soon smartphones will be too. I also saw no comments about this "Facebook will continue to provide old-school friends-and-family networking via a subsidiary tab. Those po…

> Just as desktops are legacy, soon smartphones will be too. This is the same as saying "in 10 years we'll have flying cars". No, we won't.

It's more like how 3d televisions were going to take over.

Turns out people don't want it.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by somedude895 »

concordDance wrote: post #538
Thorentis wrote: post #456

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> A closed, private space that admits no outsiders, marketers, or clout chasers, but strongly discourages developing relationships with new people or expanding one's horizons. Sounds wonderful. This is how the vast majority of humans have experienced socialising for the vast majority of human history. And they were happier for it.

No, it was definitely possible to meet new people. The propagation of these closed spaces worsens the loneliness epidemic, which is way worse than at any point in history.

The closed space of a group chat with friends worsens the loneliness epidemic? And arguing with random strangers on Reddit alleviates it? It's very much the opposite. Big, open and often anonymous social spaces are terrible at making you feel part of a group. Spaces with few people who you actually know and like and can depend on are key to not feeling lonely, and yes they tend to be closed.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by ransom1538 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #264
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

"Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers."

The elephant in the room is advertising tracking. Nothing to facebook matters. If I as an advertiser can't see what I am paying for, I am leaving. Advertisers DO NOT want to pay for impressions - they want to pay for conversions (clicks/installs/etc). Without a way to see if a particular ad spend converted - all ad spend ends. Facebook could now be doomed. Apple has changed its policies [1] to help its users to remove advertiser tracking. Mobile has taken over almost all impressions.

"They're throwing whatever they can think of at the wall to see if anything sticks." They are beyond fucked here. Whatever they create, apple is blocking tracking. So new products/features do NOT matter. They need a way to figure out tracking - I don't have a solution (besides leaving and just using apple store iads).

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22405474/apple-app-tracki...

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