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Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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IMO this is the normal lifecycle of any social media. I would even argue that advertising just a part of it.

Kids think its cool and use it -> Slightly older generation enters because its cool with the kids -> even older generation enters -> now its cringe for the kids -> they find something else.

Add on top the fact that the business model incentive is to push as many ads as possible and any medium is transformed from an exclusive sharing space to a public square with your awkward aunt and a million ads.

TikTok is not escaping this. Its still early and people share a lot of intimate things on there (and they are proud that they can do it), but that will quickly change as it becomes more mainstream.

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Does this mean Facebook’s privacy model is going to change radically? [1] TikTok’s “for you” feed works because all posts are globally-visible, but on Facebook isn’t sharing generally limited to your social network? Will they change things so that every Facebook post is globally visible by default?

[1] Or maybe it changed already. I haven’t used Facebook in a long time.

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It’s not that easy. This is life and death for Facebook. TikTok is really taking over and is a force. It’s also a Chinese company and so they can’t buy it. They are forced to compete, either they do this or become fully irrelevant

Facebook is dying, but not because of TikTok. Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. It doesn't help that their core code is a steaming pile of bloated dung that doesn't seem to be tested by anyone…

My theory is that it's also the behavior of users that has changed.

In my own network (age brackets 25-40), I rarely see any people posting updates or uploading pictures, which was common 5 or 10 years ago.

On the other hand, Meta managed to keep the younger generation audience by acquiring Instagram, but apparently, it failed to acquire the Next-Bing-Thing (Tik-Tok)

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

To quote the article Facebook really has "unleashed waves of democratic empowerment" among the youth in certain countries where democracy is not present or is under serious assault and the domestic media is censored. If some random dictatorship has strict anti-speech laws Meta is way more lax about following them than the domestic media (who are just going to get arrested if they don't). This really has created a gen…

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I'm really curious to know what you think that "cat" is ? Are you thinking that digital technology is irrevocably corrupted and hereafter can only be employed toward abusive and manipulative ends? Or are you supposing that because we have allowed some companies to damage society through abuses of technology, that the situation can never be remedied. No laws can ever be brought to bear? Or are you alluding to somethin…

I suppose the technological implementation of a sort of “bad faith” ethos is the cat, here. And as tends to happen with that sort of degradation of values, other organizations pick up the technique since the bar is lowered. That’s my 2 cents anyway.

> technological implementation of a sort of "bad faith" ethos

Indeed, that's what the parent commenter said.

What I do is look at all those historical "slippery slopes of bad faith" that didn't survive, and ask "Why not?". What changed in society and stopped that?

Child labour was set to explode in the industrial revolution. Kids as young as 7 or 8 worked in factories. At the time it would have been reasonable to extrapolate that in a few decades all children would need to be employed in mills and mines. And we can talk about slavery, and disenfranchisement of women, and many more things in the same way.

To take a counter-example, the proliferation of cars on the roads is something we have not been able to stem through reason alone. I think this sets up a sense of "technological exceptionalism" in which theories of determinism currently dominate. In my opinion this is a very immature (Level 1 civilisation) view of things.

But when we look at all the malevolent trajectories that were corrected, it always begins when we name it. Naming a problem (acknowledging it as undesirable) sets in motion the progress towards overcoming it.

I think we are living through precisely that age with digital technology. We are in a process of naming, qualifying and understanding new harms. We are starting to apply the same progressive models we have for race, gender and public health, to technology. The course is set. It might seem time is not be on our side, but the industrialists of today are no more powerful than those of yesterday against the tides of society.

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Apple would sell exactly one kind of burger, which is great but costs $20. The wrapper is rose gold or space grey. Only Apple-certified condiments can be applied to the burgers, and a packet of ketchup is $5. Each year the faithful queue outside for the privilege of obtaining the latest burger.

and more and more people would simply accept that great burgers cost $20 and come from Apple if you want a decent one. While there are some other burgers that sound great at a lower price point, they occasionally give you e-coli. Mediocre burgers at a low price are still widely available.

Unfortunately people found out that they payed $20 for the sense of a great burgers, but found out that they were mediocre at best which began a new trend of making your own burgers - either from ready made components from all kinds of price/quality or even make them more or less from scratch. Though, some people insisted on keep buying overpriced burgers as they believed the ads made in the format as objective benchmarks or reviews.

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> nobody under 30 uses FB any more. well, aren't older eyeballs more valuable anyway? Like more disposable income, maybe more free time for those retired? The mine might be empty some day in the future, but it doesn't seem to be the case right now

I'm no advertising expert but IIRC marketers tend to like the younger demographic because even though older folks have more money they also are wise enough not to spend it on stupid shit they don't need. Unless you're selling a new kind of golf putter or a very expensive prescription medicine for high blood pressure. Then you want the oldsters.

Wasn't there statistics indicating the group with the most amount of expendable money are women in their forties?

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I have an even better idea. How about creating a big network where everyone could have their little space and put whatever they want in it? The main method of content discovery would be by adding “links” to other people's places. Since it would be interconnected like a spider web, we could cáll it “the web” or something…

The technical hurdle is too high. A text box and submit button is the maximum if you want to make it accessible to billions of people.

Text box and submit button you say?

http://txti.es/

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> one day they will simply slink away in the middle of the night leaving several thousand mine workers unemployed and holding the bag. When that day comes, the moment Facebook and Meta are declared dead I will go out, order the most expensive bottle of champagne, and celebrate all night. Future generations of an advanced technological society will look back in horror and disbelief that a small cadre of privateers wer…

We have tiktok now which is even worse

There is no reason to celebrate

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